Gotcha! Sorry, just didn't read the humorous tone. Web and all that.

I'm in the same camp as you, on these issues, I guess I just don't get the mindset that some of that ruins all of the game. There's a lot of non-blind, non-LE content for STAW right now, far more than there is blind/LE stuff, and that doesn't look like it's going to change, at least within the year. If you were willing to ignore the LE stuff, you'd still have a lot to play and enjoy the game with.

Why do you need to chase it? That's my whole point, there's plenty of stuff out there that doesn't need to be chased down, and for the most part I think they've so far not made any of the LE's anything you couldn't live without (unless you want to play Ferengi, grumble grumble ).

Yeah, I didn't buy mine for use in Tactics, I bought a few ships cheaply, on eBay, expressly for the purpose of modding them into ships I wanted to use in STAW.

Two reasons, first, Wizkids tends to release really desirable items that way. Sinestro/Lamp post Batman anyone??? Second, Wizkids likes to release powerful game elements that way as well. Either way, if its a ship or card that someone wants they have to inevitably chase it. A third reason, and one that is of my own making is I am a completionist. I enjoy having everything made at my disposal to build a fleet with. I used to be so with Heroclix until Wizkids went nuts with how much they produced and other issues that drove me away. I specifically got into AW because of my love of Trek and the non blind aspect of the game.

Because if I played I'd likely pick a faction or two*. And if I'm already limiting myself to the number of ships I have available to me, I'd want to make sure I actually had all of those ships available to me.






*I only collected some of the factions in Monsterpocalypse (the ones that appealed to me visually and story-wise) and pretty much only played Orcs in MK.

I'm not convinced that "chasing" is going to be difficult, or be a problem, with these ships. It's not like HC where there are SR and chase figures that everyone wants, there will be 5 equally rare ships, so the only thing that will affect their availability is their popularity. So far. I would not put it past WK to change that in the future, if they continue with the blind boxes.

It does still mean you either buy the blind boxes, go to eBay, or pass on them altogether, though, which is frustrating. I don't like having to deal with the blind box model to get game elements either, and I agree with Hair when he says you should be able to buy what you want, and how much you want.

Me too. I just don't see why the minority of LE/blind game elements would cause someone to write the game off altogether. If I do quit going to OP events because of the blind boxes, I'm not also going to sell off my collection and quit playing. I'll play casual games with what I have, and whatever ships I want to buy in the future, at home or at my store on one of their non-OP nights.

This still doesn't answer my question. Why would wanting the 1-2 LE/blind ships for your faction stop you from getting enjoyment out of the 5+ non-LE/blind ships for your faction?

Honestly, it's not so bad. Even if I decided I wanted to compete the set and track down all five, in all likelihood, I'll get 2 or 3 just for playing, and the others won't be hard to buy because they were part of the participation prize for playing. I think the concerns aren't with where the game is for this event so much as where the game may or may not be going. This is very likely an experiment in adding a blind game element to a game that does not have one. If it goes well, WK may decide to push the envelope and see what else they can get the consumers to buy. Maybe next time it'll be a Mirror Universe War Event that uses 10 or 20 blind ships with a huge hike in cost to venues and a Utopia Planetia resource dial with month to month additions and con exclusive repair bays. That's an exaggeration, but I think that's the source of the unease. I like the game the way it is now. New ships and scenarios? Sure thing. Costly buy-ins and advantages based on chance? Makes me a little edgy.

have you seen the crazy stupid money the LE ships go for on Ebay? They are limited to 2 per event. These will be limited to 6 per series, so while not as rare as the LE ships, they will be much rarer then regular ships in the set and still garner high demand. And then as you yourself suggested, there is popularity to contend with. If one of them is say Battleship Enterprise, or any named Federation ship for that matter, I would expect it would go for stupid money. If the OP ran 5-6 months I would agree that these would eventually drop to close to their original purchase price. Hopefully after three events they will still be in the affordable range.

You definitely have a point, you don't have to compete in OP to enjoy the game, but being able to compete once a month with 10-15 other skilled players once or twice a month is definitely a big draw to the game. Not sure the amount of money I have invested into it would justify keeping it to play casually with my wife, or with the one or two guys that show up to play on off weeks. At the very least my investment into the game is going to significantly decrease. If the majority of players feel this way and do the same, wouldn't that be a bad thing for Wizkids? Although that would probably decrease the value of the blind packaged ships and make them easier to obtain

This exactly!!! Although there are a few on here to swear by all that they know that Wizkids would never do something like that

Because I'm an "all or nothing" kind of guy. If I'm already limiting myself to a faction, I want to be able to utilize all 7 of that faction's ships and not just the 5 that aren't LE/exclusives (numbers made up for example purposes only).

See that I can understand, my daughter plays Klingons and she would like another of each ship but had to wait until I bought a third starter for her ti have a second Vor'cha and trade for another Ch'Tang for her.

I think the real problem is you are going to get people who get ships that people want to get and be big Richards about trading. What if we get a second ferengi ship and all the people who would like another has to struggle to get one.

I am getting a brick for myself is possible and what I or my kids does not want I will try to set up others with. If others on here are at venues that will let you get multiples the best thing to do is try and get them and set up our friends here.

My thoughts on it are as follows.
Would we get any of these ships in any close proximity to the time we are getting them now if they were not Limited edition?
If No, the already I am happy because we got the ships.
We may very well have not gotten these ships if they were told to devote X resources to an op program and couldn't design the ships otherwise until much later.

If the process was simply, "We have X ships semi done, what should we do with them?" and the answer was make the LE's, then I would prefer them be buffed a bit and come out a little later.

As it stands though, we have 6 ships from the OP (Not counting fighter squadrons or Ds9), which lined up with Wave 3, raising our ship count in total from 19 to 25. Now, I may be in the minority, but a 1/4th increase in available ships is wonderful and I would rather have them now then later.

The 5 new ships, assuming it is a 2/10 per brick, even distribution, I see no problem getting these if you have an op locally. If you can get 3/10 ships (Assuming you don't have jerks locally who don't mind swapping) just by attending, then you have a 3/5 chance to get the ship you want without even needing a secondary source.

It is those not able to get to an OP that I can see having the biggest issue and why even though I have won every ship released, I am all for Wizkids releasing Prize ship packs for MASS retail, and if such pack cost say, $125-$150 across 6 ships, I would think it entirely fair.

Yeah, I get that, and I share that concern as well. I'm not happy about the blind boxes, and if the game ever moved towards a majority of releases (or even a large minority) being blind, I'd probably be put off enough to more-or-less give up on it. But I'd still keep the figures I have, and I'd still play casual games. I might even still buy some non-blind stuff, or affordable stuff on eBay. I guess that's where the difference lies, for me - if WK changes the purchase model to something I don't like, I'm not going to play into it, but I'm also not going to let it ruin the entertainment that I can get out of my existing collection.
6/series per OP kit, right? I don't know what the rules/restrictions on ordering OP kits are, but an OP kit will support 10 players, right? So what it really means, at least in theory, is 6 of each brick ship per 10 players, whereas the LE ships are 2 ships per 10 players, and more difficult to get since they're awarded for winning a tournament rather than by luck of the draw (and three draws, at that).

Not that I like those odds, either, because it means that, treating a venue with 10 players as an isolated environment, there's no way for all 10 players to get one of each ship. But I do think that they're much better odds than the LE prize ships, and don't expect to see them go for nearly the same amount (maybe after the first week, but I expect the market will get flooded with extras and duplicates after that, and they'll come down).

If the Borg event blind boxes are testing ground, and a majority of players don't like them, then I hope that will be the end of the experiment as far as WK is concerned. Not holding my breath, though .

I think that's your failing, not WK's. WK screws up by making some 2/7ths of the game LE/blind box ships, but it's on you if the simple fact of their existence makes the remaining 5/7ths of the game worthless.

I would rather have them later, and be able to buy them for $15 apiece just like every other ship, than to have them now, but have to jump through hoops (or pay through the nose, in the case of LE prize ships) to get them, because that's not ever going to change. Whether I try to get them now, or in a few months, or a year, LE ships will probably continue to fetch a high price.

I think this is a really unfair sentiment. If you draw the ship(s) you want, including if you wanted duplicates of one of the ships, it's unreasonable to be accused of being a jerk for not trading. WK are the ones who set up this silly blind distribution model, if you can't get your hands on the ships that you want blame them for not giving you the option to pick and choose, not other players for not wanting to trade just because they were lucky enough to pull the ships that they wanted.

It's not a "failing", it's a choice. I have a perfectly good and viable flight path game in X-Wing. FFG doesn't have LE nonsense and doesn't have blind purchases. I know what I'm getting when I buy it every single time. I choose to play it, in part, because of that model. I choose not to play Attack Wing because of WKs' nonsense.

Would I also play Attack Wing if WK wasn't making it (ie. being handled by a company that doesn't #### things up constantly and doesn't engage in rarity schemes*)? Very probably as I do enjoy the Trek universe.


*and "schemes" is exactly what they are

I think your math is off, you get ten blind packaged ships, that's two of each of the five ships per tournament. So that's two of each ship per tourney times three tournaments, that's six ships.

As to your other point I think we mostly agree, however your taking a passive I'll complain later when it happens approach where I am making my feelings/opinions known to Wizkids now in the hopes they might do something about it. I get that it is probably futil since the only thing Wizkids listens to is the cha-Ching of a cash register, but at least I'm going down fighting.

Have we confirmed that there are only 5 ships repeated for the three months? I thought when I saw the order page there was a month one brick, a month two brick, and a month three brick.

Now that would really really suck!!!