As you pointed out, there may very well be a dearth of information gathering this game. Eliminating the town RT is a bad move, which is why I claimed, and why others agree that it would be a bad move to vote out the RT. Even though it doesn't indicate faction as it does in other games, it still changes the calculus. Eliminating one of the top 2 info-gathering roles as a test vote isn't a good idea.

Also, don't tell other people they don't have "REAL" reasons for the actions they choose. You are not the arbiter of all plays made by all players in this game. People can make decisions different from yours; that doesn't make them wrong. You are pushing this vote so hard because you've decided what you think is the best course of action, and you're perseverating over it to the point where your judgment is clouded, just as it was with Darq in the Smash Ultimate game.

Right. I was more referring to alignment claim than power claim. Either way, you are correct about the power claim, no reason to lie but also no way to bust that lie so it's essentially a powerless claim. As far as I know we don't know if powers are doubled up.

More importantly though, I'm interested in the bolded. You seem positive that the don doesn't have a power. Why do you think this? I assume everyone was assigned a role then a don was randomly picked by the mod.

I assumed the don was randomly picked when all of the other roles were randomly assigned. That's how it worked in Girathon's last draft game. But now that you point this out, I have no real justification to think this, it's just an assumption that K-Ness would do the roles the same way, but as Vlad points out, he is probably doing a lot of things differently.

Copy that. I assumed that was your assumption (I couldn't recall the last game mechanics... nor am I 100% sure I played in it).

I'll have to think about who I would have recruited, but I probably would have gone with players that I think are good, but aren't known for getting a lot of heat.
I don't have any real reads yet, so I went with someone that had won recently. Didn't want someone to feel picked on. So not truly random pressure, but not too far off from that either.

Doing the thing you agree we should be doing makes you suspicious of me? That's the mafia-est logic I've ever heard.

Its as much a real reason as I voted for the president based on hair style. Its a reason based on nothing.

Yeah, when I did the game the Don didn't have a power. But roles had the possibility to be doubled up from the initial Darq idea, but I never used that. I would have if I ran a 3rd.

In so far as it goes, adam, I'm voting for you based on you seemingly being the most popular choice in recruit, nothing more. The fact you have done things since that I find suspect just doesn't convince me to want to move.

The fact you did so without any reason given for doing so is what made me suspicious. Others who have voted since have given reasons for why they voted, yours seemed random to me and you just explained it kind of was arbitrary. I think we can do better than just randomly picking someone in a game as meta as this.

I would like a results thread. I think it would be helpful for tracking trends, like if mafia or town has a higher win rate, etc.
I was reading your post, thinking, "Is he advocating we vote for him?"
Some of us already did...Yeah, but games of mafia tend to assume that there are witches about.

I love this.

Even though I'm in agreement with voting for adam, I think this logic is a bit flawed, due to the fact that the mafia's "choice" being thrown into the equation. That said, I thought adam would be a popular choice coming into this game.

10/16, after 1 elimination and with 4 mafia. That still favors the town, but not by a large margin.
Reading is for chumps!
See, that's helpful info, thanks to day 1 pressure. I like it.

He had the most votes and was about halfway to elimination. That sounds to me like the river was flowing in his direction.
What's WIFOM?
Interesting that you voted for adam after he claimed rather than before.
I'm not sure I get why you and Girathon are suggesting claiming is useless. As far as I can see, Adam claiming is probably the most useful thing anyone has done so far.
This makes no sense to me.
This does make sense to me.
Mass claims seem to be counter to the spirit of mafia to me, but that might be just me.

I mean, anybody saying anything day 1 is impossible to prove. Any reason for any votes will be arbitrary/borderline useless. At least adam actually gave us something to work with?

I concur with everything here. Not a big mass claim day 1 type of guy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9TRMQwMNnY
Can you explain why its useful?