Really? I understand it. If Vlad had died as the SK he was pretty likely to not last long in his 2nd life. Giving the SK position to another player who just lost their first role makes it too easy to figure out. This way the role of the SK stays around longer, neither misses a night nor doubles up, and we essentially start over in hunting for it. Expecting a SK role, 2 lives or not, to outlive 40 other kills is crazy.

Assumed doctoring? Read it again. I was dropkicked. Gangles wasn't doctored. I did fail for what it's worth as evidenced by the write-up.

I thought Afr was bad going into the night. He killed Grinner the night before. So I targeted him with my MD again.

Also, Dreamus just died last night. His host may have been revealed in the write-up but I didn't know that. You're trying to paint me as bad with info from the write-up that is new to everyone. I really don't like that line of thinking.

I used Long Con's earlier info, Afr's kill the prior night, and the clone theory to choose my action.

Umm, I thought that the Dragon was a doctor. Which would make it an assumed doctoring. The Dragon targets Gangles (Afr), Gangles was targetted for a killing. The Dragon stopped the killing by dropkick.

Sure you can literally read it as a bodyguard, but the effect is that it doctored Gangles.

The only other option you would have here is that it was a reverse roleblock nexus and that it in effect blocked you. But you have to see why you are the leading candidate to be removed today at this point.

How does this...
Jive with this?
Furthermore:

He's talking about your "do we lynch Afrcngy" thing. That makes absolutely no sense if you're town.

Hmm, interesting. I could see a mafia ability to use fake Endless for kills. But Frankenjustice appeared during a Day phase.

And the Hellsoawn as flavor runs into the problem of who killed Vlad?

No, I'm trying to paint you bad for referencing my post about how Gangles and Dreamus appear to be unrelated and using it to argue that we should lynch Gangles to figure out this Dreamus situation.

Also, The other night's writeup makes it pretty clear that it was due to your Misdirection that Gangles killed Grinner.

I'll admit my play hasn't been the best, but I'm not seeing all of it. Sure, the write-up looks bad. I targeted Afr. His claim of Gangles and Long Con's info didn't jive. Add in that he killed someone already and I had a decent target for the night.

I know my action failed. I'd post the PM but that's against the rules. The only effect you know for sure from the write-up is that the Dragon prevented my action from affecting Gangles. You can read it however you like, but since I failed, I read it as a direct block on me. And for what I'm sure isn't the last time, I did not target him for a kill.

And both Hellspawn kills came against players who had just been lynched. There wasn't anything obviously scummy about Skulltula and Ebb and The Deep One were (assumed) two different types of scummy. It seems more like Hellspawn is going after single life players. It's possible he can only kill 2nd characters.

None of this makes me think he's anti-town, necessarily.

You can make an argument for both kills being town-friendly too, though.

Gfish had just been lynched and both Ebb and Frankenjustice died. Still possible gfish is mafia.

Vlad gets lynched as SK and there's some noise about "I'm not gone yet". Kill him to kill potential 2nd SK.

Of course, killing 2nd characters is also a likely scum move, especially if they don't think anybody with first lives will be reincarnated as mafia.

True on the day/night thing. Possibly a consistent flavor thing to make us think Hellspawn is in the game. Like how Necross was doing stuff in Smileytown or Palm was doing stuff in Lantus. If we're supposed to think Hellspawn is making kills, he has to be active at night. GFish was lynched so Frankenjustice died during the day. Dreamus was nightkilled so he died during the night.

I see no contradiction re: who killed Vlad? I mean, who killed GFish? Nobody. (Or Hellspawn and I'm just wrong.)

If he's not flavor, he may be the traitor. Or both.

Ok only might have been a bit too strong of wording. I could see a plain ol roleblock working that way.

That makes more sense then what I was thinking. I kinda just knee-jerk thought that the SK would be a double life character, but have some sort of survival mechanism.

So vlad (as Skultula) just up and died for no reason? That's my problem with this theory - with gfish a hunter had shot Flow, and Hellspawn just finished her off. With vlad... I guess the soldiers technically could've been the kill? *shrug* just doesn't seem as plausible.

Although actually, maybe it's whatever made him start screaming? Hmm...

Aha! I think Hellspawn may be taking out people who get lynched [/i]by majority[/i] since he didn't go after killingjoke, who was lynched with simple plurality.