ok dont get my wrong i loove heroclix put some things just totally get me mad like how some heroclix that should have powers dont and some that have powers they actually dont have(in the comics)! heres some examples:

-the new deadpool click should have willpower he displayed it alot in the comics.
-batman having 9 attack whats with that? attack power represents fightin' skills and hitting ratios he should have an
11 attack at least(kc does but what about the others)theres no way Nightwing should have higher attack than Batman!
-not giving juggernaut charge thats what he does charge,charge, charge!
-spiral and loki doom bonus? what the flip! they never even were affiliated with doom!(supposibly they did this to give them more powers and abilities,stealth mystics whatever u want)but thats still lame
-bastion with nothing on movement and attack(whoo-hoo he gets incapacitate later)this guy was awesome in the comics! (untill cable pounded him)he should definatley at least have runnin' shot!
-doc ock with energy explosion wha?
i could complain for hours..
Do u guys agree or disagree?
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Well the Spiral and Loki MoD ability isnt there to represent them being affiliated with Doom. Being a wildcard ability its there to show how they have worked closely with many other individuals and organizations.

Ultimate Doc Ock's tentacles were able to morph and change into different types of weaponry, thats why he can do some splash damage, Or it could represent his ability to hit many targets at once too. While that technically wouldnt be a "ranged attack" his tentcles do have quite a reach, enough to hit opponents many squares away from him.

Juggernaut? Well about the only explanation for that was that he was from the first set and they didnt quite have as good character to dial representation as they do now.

Deadpool with Willpower? I think thats just a matter of opinion. Some people think he should've had it, others don't. Personally I think it was omitted for the sake of the characters cost.

Bastion I havent looked at closely enough to make a descion on him yet.

Batman? Well I don't collect DC, but I'd guess again it was about keeping points cost down.

THANK YOU magneto747, like I have been saying all along. Batman should have an 11 attack, KC one should have had at a 13 attack, and at least a 16 DEF or 17 DEF. Especially for what he has. As for the regular Batman, they still have not made him right yet. Batman should have a 10 or 11 attack to start, really 11. With a 17 DEF to start with!!!! The new one for Legacy looks nice, they might actually do it right. They have to work on it like Spiderman. We'll see..... BATMAN is awesome, he should be like this.

TA: Batman Ally
R: 6 (2 Bolts)
PTS.: 116

SP: 10LC 9LC 9LC 9LC 8LC 8LC 8LC 7LC

ATT: 11INC 10INC 9INC 9 9 8SC 7SC 7SC

DEF: 17WP 16WP 16WP 16WP 15WP 15WP 14WP 14WP

DAM: 3OW 3OW 3EW 2EW 2EW 2EW 2OW 2OW

Sorry correction:
On 4th, 5th, and 6th click, should be Toughness.

SP: 10LC 9LC 9LC 9LC 8LC 8LC 8LC 7LC

ATT: 11INC 10INC 9INC 9 9 8SC 7SC 7SC

DEF: 17WP 16WP 16WP 16T 15T 15T 14WP 14WP

DAM: 3OW 3OW 3EW 2EW 2EW 2EW 2OW 2OW

Also Nightwing could have been better too, should have had 2 or 3 clicks of Willpower, first 2 or 3 clicks. A third click of outwit and 2nd click of Outwit should have been 3 Damage.

Okay a couple things...

After deliberating...Juggernaut should not have charge...

Okay yeah in the comics he does Charge but what Charge means in the game Juggernaut does not do...Yeah he can run but he doesn't run nearly as fast as many of the other characters...it is actually his slow movement that is his weakness if you watch fights with him and the X-Men. So he really shouldn't be able to move and attack in the same turn.


About Bastion...Bastion sucked in the comics. Iceman kicked his butt at the end of Operation: Zero Tolerance..and I mean look at the Iceman in the figure. Bastion has Outwit and that is the main thing he should have because Prime Sentinels could cancel powers...

I know what you are saying

Taskmaster doesn't have anything like Combat Reflexes he has muscle memory. They kinda do that with teh wildcard team ability and 12 attack but still

Bastion is nothing more than a senitel that was merged from two others. Also, he was able to take on the X-Men on a regular basis. As such, looking at his point cost, a lot of the reason that they kept his dial so bare is because his numbers are that good already. I do believe though that he should have had a range of 8. I also think that in looking over the comics where he did fight, the X-men took shots at him while he just stood there and fired back, never really attacking them while moving.

Nightwing I'll agree with you, but the first few sets were not that good at making the character and setting point cost accordingly . Just look at Firelord for an example. Moreover, I believe Nightwing should have had a front click of Willpower followed by combat reflexs or super sense, but thats me.

Personally, I think Juggernaut should have Hypersonic Speed, with 8 movement, or something.

Not because he's fast, but because he's the unstoppable Juggernaut. Unlimited momentum. He should be able to attack and move. Never have to break away. Make him like 170 points. He should get HSS, not because of the name, but that it could accurately represent his momentum powers.


And why the heck is he Brotherhood?!

Geez, Manchine. Normally, when someone offers an intelligent response they give reasons for their opinions. You come off as pretty arrogant here:
Originally posted by magneto747
-the new deadpool click should have willpower he displayed it alot in the comics.Dont care
SO DON'T SAY ANYTHING. WE DON'T CARE THAT YOU DON'T CARE.
-batman having 9 attack whats with that? attack power represents fightin' skills and hitting ratios he should have an
11 attack at least(kc does but what about the others)theres no way Nightwing should have higher attack than Batman!Agree
OKAY, WHY?
-not giving juggernaut charge thats what he does charge,charge, charge! Disagree
OKAY, AGAIN WHY? GIVE US THE EVIDENCE.
-spiral and loki doom bonus? what the flip! they never even were affiliated with doom!(supposibly they did this to give them more powers and abilities,stealth mystics whatever u want)but thats still lameDefiantly Disagree, try to learn something before argueing this one.
YOU CAN FIND A BETTER WAY TO DISAGREE. PERHAPS YOU SHOULD LEARN SOMETHING ABOUT INTELLIGENT DEBATE?
-bastion with nothing on movement and attack(whoo-hoo he gets incapacitate later)this guy was awesome in the comics! (untill cable pounded him)he should definatley at least have runnin' shot! Have never seen Bastion in Comics.
SO WHY DO YOU FEEL COMPELLED TO PUT IN YOUR TWO BITS WORTH?
-doc ock with energy explosion wha? Disagree, he should have it.
FOR THE THIRD TIME, WHY? GIVE US SOME EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT YOUR OPINION.
i could complain for hours.. You might want to find the answers before you start complaining for no reason.
YOU, MANCHINE, MIGHT WANT TO STEP BACK AND THINK A LITTLE HARDER BEFORE YOU START SLINGING AROUND SHARP, PETTY QUIPS.
YOU DON'T NEED TO BE MEAN TO MAKE YOUR POINT.

Ummmm??? What are you talking about. What Quips? All I did was answer the question. I think you need to step back and reread that.

If I wanted to be mean I would done more then answered the guys question. Most of it was pretty straight forward. He asked it was answered.

I think your misunderstanding answering a question and giving something a tone.

I agree that Juggernaut should have Charge, but not for the attack ability. Figures with this power never suffer knockback. That's what fits Juggy.

PS

Most of the infomation has been talked about before I got here. So there was no need to add commentary. Juggernaut doesnt need to be talked about since there was another thread that was just up talking about Juggernaut. Kinda weird that 2 threads popped up about Juggernaut. When you dont hear about him for 6 monthes.

Okay I'm sorry but I haven't posted on the other Juggie thread so I'm posting on this one....


Juggernaut should NEVER EVER EVER have HSS EVER..it would be wrong. Okay...yeah Juggernaut is unstoppable or whatever(even though he has been stopped by slipping on ice or the such) because he is so strong and invulnerable BUT he is NOT fast. Charge might stop knockback but that isn't the main thing it does and Juggernaut should not be able to charge. The one thing the X-Men always had on Juggernaut was that they were faster and he was slow. Yeah he runs and can get up to a pretty good speed but his reflexes are pretty slow compared to other characters and his agility is bad. So Charge doesn't represent him. Charge is for your fast or agile characters...not Juggie.

Doc Oc has energy explosion because it is suppose to be like him waving two of his arms wildly knocking everyone about...He does it all the time. Or grabbing the person in the middle square and knocking him to everyone...another classic move...