It's more of a Geneva Code kind of thing but on with it. The other day I participated in a tournament and a few other players got upset at me because I wrote down how many clicks of life their teams had. I offered the same and only one of them did so. The reason I did it was because in the tournament before that I was cheated and didnt want it to happen again. My memory isnt the greatest so I cant remember how many clicks of life a figure has. Even ones I see all the time like Icons Supes. Now although theres no ruling on this (at least I dont believe) I was wondering what you guys thought about this. Feel free to criticize or support me. Im just wondering how you would feel if someone did this to you.

i was under the impression that there was a rule against that. Thought it was sort of the same as having a print out or something of a characters dial.

Well I only write down their clicks of life but I dont know. If there is could someone direct me to the place in the rulebook that this is stated?

Good question

I have never seen any rule about that. As far as I'm concerned, if my opponent wants to write down how many clicks of damage my figs take they are welcome to do so.
Sometimes certain figs are very hard to click or they almost click themselves when you pick them up and I am sometimes uncertain that my opponents are actually clicking the figs the number of clicks that they are suppoesto especially if I don't know that fig's dial.
I listen for the click sound but that doesn't always work so I can't tell how many times they have actually clicked the fig.

I still haven't got an answer. Is there an official ruling or is it just up to the people whether they want to tell me or not

The judge at your venue would have the final say on this. Spreadsheets are not allowed. Although I couldn't find it in ink. Most players and judges know that this is true. I'd suggest having the judge keep an eye on the person you think isn't clicking their characters enough.

I wouldn't allow people to write the number of clicks the opponent has taken at my tourneys. But that is my opinion. And you don't play at my venue. But I also don't think that you should catch greif from other players as a result of you being cheated. (If your opponent did cheat). The judge is responsible for making sure the game is played fair. But if you play at a venue that has more than 4 games going at once this can be hard for a judge to do. But if he knows what the other player is doing he can watch him a little closer and detour this type of behavior.

From the Wizkids approved play document:

Some could consider notes on how many clicks of life each figure has as reference materials or "cheet sheets".....

Yes if you had how many clicks a fig had, that could be a cheat sheet. But if you just recorded how much damage you dealt and how much it was healed, as it happened, I don't think that would qualify as cheating. It's more like transcribing the game.
If you can't remember the fig's dial so you write down how many clicks it has before the game, then that would be a cheat sheet.

I would compare it to VS CCG. During the game (VS) you and your opponent record how much damage you have taken and most players I have faced also record how much damage their opponent has taken as well. So both players are recording both life totals and can compare notes so no mistakes are made and the opportunity to cheat by intentionally making mistakes is almost eliminated.

I think recording how much damage each fig has taken is any different. However I could be wrong and I have also never seen anyone doing this. I would like it if WK would print the number of the click on the dial. That way neither player would have as much of an advantage because they can remember that fig's dial better than their opponent. Of course they would still know the powers and values on the dial which I think is more of an advantage than knowing the number of clicks.

I usually don't even try to remember how deep my opponents dials are and if I happen to be familiar with the fig they are using I might know what powers I may be facing, but it doesn't change the way I play the game very much.

For example, if someone was playing V Critical Mass Spider-Man (#069) against me, he is one of the very first peices I got and so I know his dail fairly well. I know, for example that on his 5th click he gets 18 DV and Defend. So if he is on his3rd click from pushing to pounce, say, I know I want to get him past his 5th and probably 6th click. Well say he is currently pushed and has to clear next turn so I have 2 chances to damage him.I have several figs that are in a position to damage him, I just have to decide what ones to use and how to use them.
If I hit him with my heavy hitter first, which I would usually be inclined to do, I could possibly put him right on the click I want to avoid. So since I know the dial My tactics will change. I will hit him with someone that can do 1 damage putting him on his 4th click. Then I lay the smackdown with my big guy for 4 dam, pushing him right past his most powerful clicks and onto one that I know is not that good. (he's got nothing but outwit on his 8th click.)
So now I know he has 1 click left and I can finish him off next turn by pushing my guys.
Now considering someone who has recently started playing and has possibly never seen this fig before. They would have no idea what his dial looks like or that he has 9 clicks of life. So they would probalby play the scenario much differently, possibly hitting him with their biggest guy first which would put him on to his best clicks with his highest defense.
So they need to become more experienced and learn as many dials as they can cause you never know who your opponent might bring. While this is true, I see no problem with them keeping track of how much damage they have done and which fig's they have done it to.

I think what most people are objection to is that they write it down. Well as long as nothing was written on that paper when the match began I have no problem with it as it will probably help them learn the fig's dials better as well.
Also if they think their opponent was cheating by only clicking his fig once instead of twice, they could use their record to prove it.

To conclude (finally ) I don't believe it gives my opponents any unfair advantage to keep track of the damage they have dealt, as long as that's all they are doing. Sometimes things happen pretty quickly during the game and it is hard to keep track of everything as well as remembering what happened before.
As long as the record keeping is not interfering with the normal flow of the game and it fairly non intrusive I don't have a problem with it. But that's just me.

I have to agree with XO on this one. If you write down the damage dealt and healed on a character, I can see no way this could be seen as cheating.

I would agree.

Thanks for finding that PL! So don't record clicks of life, just damage and healing and you'll be fine.

Technically speaking, someone could interpret this to include writing down the damage taken by each figure. However, it is up to the event's judge to determine if it counts or not.

It feels awful to lose to a cheater, but it feels just as bad to be called one when you're not. That's what you were doing in the second tournament... calling each of your opponents a cheater. Did any of your opponents in the second tourney misclick their dial? If not, I doubt they felt too happy with your blanket distrust of them.

Over a time, I've faced two different players that consistantly underclicked their figures, so I can understand why you felt it necessary to keep track of the damage and healing done to your opponents' figures, but you really should have called the judge over if you felt had the same problem in this tourney.

PL is correct. Writing down these type of things is illegal and it says so in the rules. While it is perfectly fine for home play, and might be ok in your local venue with your judge's approval, however if you did it in an official WK tourney, you would get DQ'ed, right quick.

Well Psylockeslover and Funky Jett there are a lot of people over on WK Rules forums that disagree with you and think it is perfectly OK to record the game as it happens. Here's the link to that thread. Check the last few posts.

I don't think it's calling your opponents cheaters if you do this, it's unfortunate that it may be necessary to do this but a few bad apples spoil it for everyone else. It's just the same as airport security screening. They don't think that every traveler they screen is a terrorist, but they must inconvienence everyone in order to catch the few. And really, recording the clicks taken as it happens isn't that big of an imposition.

At one venue I go to we recently instituted a rule where everyone must register the BFC's they plan to use and record on the results slip which one was used that round. We did this because there was some question of 1 or 2 people using the same BFC every round. Some players didn't like this because it delayed the start of the tourney and they felt it was calling them cheaters. Well it might have delayed the tourney for a couple of min but it wasn't calling everyone a cheater but it did prevent anyone from cheating. Recording the clicks taken, as it happens, does not give you an advantage and if you feel insulted that your opponent may want to do this, well all I can say is blame those people that cheat in this way. That and get over it, it's not really hurting you.

I don't see any problems with this. It isn't like you're getting a peak at what they are about to go into. We had the same problem at our venue with a known, trusted player that was underclicking his figures. I gave Black Manta a good eight clicks and he was still alive. I had to call him out on it, but it was the reason I did this. This shouldn't be considered cheating if the flipside of this issue can't be policed any other way.