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1. Chemo has Suicide Squad. Colossal Boy has Defend. With the rules for Giant figures, are friendly figures considered adjacent up to 2 squares away for use with this power and team ability?
2. What about Poison for Chemo and adjaceny with non-friendly characters?
3. Does Barrier block line of site to a Giant figure?
1. Chemo has Suicide Squad. Colossal Boy has Defend. With the rules for Giant figures, are friendly figures considered adjacent up to 2 squares away for use with this power and team ability?
2. What about Poison for Chemo and adjaceny with non-friendly characters?
Figures are only adjacent from two squares away for movement and close combat attacks only. Since neither of those are for movement, or an attack, the figures would need to be in the square that is next to the Giant to use the Suicide Squad TA, Defend, and Poison.
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3. Does Barrier block line of site to a Giant figure?
IIRC, if you are on an outdoors map, barrier does not block line of fire. On an indoors map, yes, line of fire will be blocked. I am not positive on that though.
A giant character is adjacent to standard-sized characters (those with the {blast-looking thing} damage symbol), big characters, and other giant characters when those characters are up to two squares away for movement and close combat attack purposes"
So, no, Giant adjacency is ONLY for movement and the Giant's close combat attacks. Not the use of other powers, TAs, or feats.
2. See above.
3. From the Icons rulebook, page 31:
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Hindering terrain, blocking terrain, and elevated terrain affect line of fire to a giant character as normal.
So yes, Barrier can block line of fire to a Giant.
Giants exist on all 3 elavations at once. If you could draw a LOF to a normal fig on any of those elevations with the barrier in place then you can draw a LOF to the giant.
For example, if you are elevated (on a roof) and there is a barrier on the ground (at the grounded elevation) between you and another elevated fig, it will not block the LOF. So if the elevated fig was a grounded giant instead, the LOF would not be blocked and you could shoot at him.
Yes. Anyone with stealth that is actually in hindering terrain is in stealth. If they are behind hindering an elevated fig can see them. It doesn't matter if it is a giant or not.
And here's a quick question can a gaint figure see to the center of a rooftop if he/she is on the ground? And can he be seen from the center of a rooftop by a standard figure?
And here's a quick question can a gaint figure see to the center of a rooftop if he/she is on the ground? And can he be seen from the center of a rooftop by a standard figure?
No.
The message must be at least 4 characters. The forum doesn't like simple answers.
Oh wait, I might be wrong.
Oh, no I'm not. From the Icons Rulebook p31:
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Standard-sized characters do not block line of fire to or from a giant character. Big characters and giant characters block line of fire to or from a giant character. Hindering terrain, blocking terrain, and elevated terrain affect line of fire to a giant character as normal. A grounded giant character and a grounded standard-sized character draw line of fire and make ranged combat attacks against each other as if they were both grounded. A giant character and a character on elevated terrain draw line of fire and make ranged combat attacks against each other as if they were both elevated. A giant character and a soaring character draw line of fire and attack each other as if they were both soaring and using their full range values.
But wait,
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A giant character and a character on elevated terrain draw line of fire and make ranged combat attacks against each other as if they were both elevated.
That seems to contradict itself. I don't know the answer anymore. Help!
Okay yea that is weird. Unless it is meaning BOTH the standard character and Giant character are elevated...but in that case its a weird choice of words since in the previous sentence it clearly states grounded Giant and grounded standard-sized character...
Welp, learn/reminded of something new everyday!
Good catch XO-Man-O-War...at the least a clarification is in order.
Okay yea that is weird. Unless it is meaning BOTH the standard character and Giant character are elevated...but in that case its a weird choice of words since in the previous sentence it clearly states grounded Giant and grounded standard-sized character...
Setup -- The giant is not on elevated terrain, you are making a ranged attack on him from elevated terrain, and there's a barrier on the same elevation as the giant that is between you and the giant, you can still make your ranged attack. If it was a regular figure instead of a giant or big figure, then you could not make the ranged shot because the barrier blocks LoF from an elevated to non-elevated figure. The giant rules are different though. He exists on all three levels. Whatever elevation you are at is what the giant is at. If you and the giant were non-elevated and there's a barrier between you, you cannot shoot the giant. If you are elevated and the giant is not, with a barrier between you, you can shoot the giant as if he were on another building. If you are soaring, you can make the shot as well.
...unless the giant has Stealth and is standing in hindering terrain.
In my day, we didn't have Heroclix. If you were being attacked by Superman with a 3d dumpster, you just had to hope you could outrun him.
Oh wait, I might be wrong.
Oh, no I'm not. From the Icons Rulebook p31:
But wait, That seems to contradict itself. I don't know the answer anymore. Help!
Basically the first part means that elevated terrain (which is not blocking terrain), can still block LOF to/from a Giant. Say, for example, you are on the CD map and a Giant is standing in the trash compactor. The Giant is not elevated, but he his completely surrounded by elevated terrain. A character outside the trash compactor, on the ground, could not draw LOF to the Giant and vice versa.
Now, the second part is saying that Giant characters exist at all elevations, so that if a character was on a big piece of elevated terrain, not on the edge, it could still draw LOF to a nearby Giant character that is not on the elevated terrain. The elevated character can't target the "grounded" part, since the elevated terrain blocks LOF, but that's ok because part of the Giant is on the same elevation as the elevated character and it can draw LOF to that part.
The point to all this is you can't pick and choose which "part" of the Giant is drawing LOF/has LOF drawn to it. The characters always interact at the same elevation. That is why the first example doesn't work (non-elevated LOF is blocked by the trash compactor) and the second example does (the elevated character can target the elevated portion of the Giant).