I had this situation come up at our venue last night and had an arguement with our judge and one of the other players about how this is handled. The rulebook is somewhat unclear on this. (at least it is unclear to some of us or we wouldn't have had this arguement) So here's the deal. Take a look at the following picture:

http://www.foosninja.com/mike/LOS.GIF

Here are the my questions:

1. Which LOS does figure A use if he's attempting to destroy the section of wall drawn in red in picture? The Red, Blue or Green LOS shown?

2. If figure A has a range of 6 can Figure A destroy the wall?

3. Could Figure B target that section of wall?

4. If the Red LOS is the valid LOS to destroy that section of wall for Figrue A, then could Figure C target that same section of wall? (If the Red LOS is not the correct LOS, then no need to answer this question)

(Note - Of course we're assuming Figure A can deal 3+ damage)

Now, anyone is welcome to chime in with the answer, or their guesses, but what I really need is an official like Hair10 type answer. (Is Hair10 still the rules arbitrator?)

From the Icons rule book (page 25, under 'Walls'):

Destroying walls. A close combat attack may be used to target and destroy a wall along the edge of the square the character occupies. A ranged combat attack may be used to target and destroy a wall by drawing a line of fire to the center of a square adjacent to the wall and on the opposite side of the wall from the attacking character; the line of fire is not blocked by the wall. All other requirements for destroying a wall are the same as those for destroying blocking terrain.

You must be able to draw two LOF. One to the square in front of the wall and one to the square behind the wall. The red and green lines are the ones you want.

Yes, the wall is within 6 squares... at least, I think so. You may want to check your diagram; it looks like there is an extra big coloumn containing character B. If that is actually supposed to be two separate columns, then a character with a 6 range can still destroy the wall (the wall is one the edge of the sixth square after all...).

No, to destroy a wall, the character must be able to draw LOF to the squares on both sides of the wall, with the particular section of wall in question not counting as far as blocking LOF. In the diagram you provided, though, LOF from B to the square behind the wall section would cross near the corner of the wall... and since you aren't trying to destroy that section, LOF is blocked.

No. Character C has no LOF to the square behind the wall. In fact, it can't even see the wall itself, just the sqaure in front of the wall.

(Note - Of course we're assuming Figure A can deal 3+ damage)

Now, anyone is welcome to chime in with the answer, or their guesses, but what I really need is an official like Hair10 type answer. (Is Hair10 still the rules arbitrator?)[/quote]

"A ranged combat attack may be used to target and destroy a wall by drawing a line of fire to the center of a square adjacent to the wall and on the opposite side of the wall from the attacking character; the line of fire is not blocked by the wall."

So the LOF must be drawn through the wall, not just to the first square adjacent to it. In your diagram it appears that both A and B can target that particular wall section, but not C.

1. Green line of fire.
2. No
3. No

That would be my rulings, if the situation arose at my venue. I think it was pretty clear. Draw LoF to square on opposite side of wall, that wall (being destroyed) doesnt block LoF.

Actually, scratch that. A cannot target the wall, since the square opposite the wall from A is actually 7 squares away, not 6.

By the way, I mispoke here. If it is indeed that wide column is two smaller columns, placing the wall at 6 squares away, then a character with a range of 6 can't destroy it without increasing its range somehow. The character must have both the front and the back squares of the wall within range.

Hair10 is still the RA, yes, but he hasn't been able to answer questions in this forum in an official capacity for well over a year. If you want an "official" answer, you must go to the WK forums.

I don't read the rule that way at all. The rule says you must draw a line of fire "to the center of a square adjacent to the wall and on the opposite side of the wall from the attacking character". It doesn't actually say you have to be able to draw a LOF to the square in front of the wall as well, just to a square behind the wall.

In the diagram, you can draw a line of fire from figure B through the section of wall being targeted and to the center of the square at the upper right of the diagram. Since that square is both adjacent to the wall section (on a diagonal still counts as adjacent) and on the opposite side of the wall from the attacker, I'd say figure B has a clear LOF.

Sure it does, you quoted it yourself, "to the center of a square adjacent to the wall and on the opposite side of the wall from the attacking character".

Where green is the square in front of the wall and red is the square behind the wall.

I am not even sure what to say to this. No idea. So I'll just point you to the FAQ:

Q: What do I need to do to destroy a wall with a close or ranged combat attack? Is an attack roll required?
A: To destroy a section of wall the character making the attack must be able to do 3 damage to the wall. To destroy a wall with a close combat attack, characters may only destroy wall sections that are in the same square as the character. To destroy a wall with a ranged combat attack, the character must be able to have a clear line of fire to the squares on both sides of the wall. The character must also have range to both squares being targeted. No attack roll is necessary to destroy a wall section.

1. Green Line.
2. No.
3. No.
4. N/A

There. It's now official.

Thanks everybody.

Appearently no one had the Icon's rule book when we tried to look it up. That was pretty clear.

I appreciate everyone help

-Braz

1. Both red and green

2. No

3. No

4. No, but FYI this is how LoF to walls USED to work and most likely was the reason for the change.

There, now its triplfficial.

Normalview...I was scratching me head trying to figure out what you meant by "wider columns", then it hit me what's probably going on. I bet you're using internet explorer and you clicked on my link an the image appeared in your browser. As with many pictures by default IE scrunches large pictures down so they fit on the screen....even in some cases when the picture was small enough to fit on the screen without scrunching....but I don't work on IE so it's not my fault. I drew that example using a grid that is exactly 1 pixel wide, so it is possible that when your browser scrunched the image it compressed it horizontally and happened to compress that one column of pixels away. If you mouse over the picture, and wait patiently for the expand image icon to appear (usually in the lower right hand portion of your browser window, and click on it, you will see the full image without any missing pixels.....hence no "wide columns".

Okay so, I didn't actually start this thread to point this out, I actually just noticed this while having a followup discussion with my judge on the phone.

So here's the funny followup question:

see this updated version of the drawing (only change is I colored one section of wall purple).

http://www.foosninja.com/mike/LOS.GIF

5> So if the section of wall shaded in purple didn't exist....could figure C then destroy the Red section of wall?


So doesn't that seem odd to anyone that A & C can destroy the wall but B can't.
The wording should be changed to:

"a figure must have a LOS to the center of the square on the opposite side of the wall section which you are targeting and this LOS must pass through the wall section you are destroying. The section of wall being destroyed does not count as blocking this LOS."

Then the original quote from the rules is very poorly worded, because it doesn't make it clear that it's referring to two separate squares.

oops I posted the wrong link for the "hillarious followup".

That picture is here:

http://www.foosninja.com/mike/LOS2.GIF