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I have a couple of Q's and need some help.
If I have a character with stealth, who is in hindering, and has PC, do I have to turn off my stealth to make said character reroll?
If a person is next to a piece of blocking at a diagonal would that block line of sight?
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I have a couple of Q's and need some help.
If I have a character with stealth, who is in hindering, and has PC, do I have to turn off my stealth to make said character reroll?
Techincally, yes. However, the only reason you wouldn't want to do this is if the other player(s) also had PC since your TA will re-activate at the end of your turn.
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If a person is next to a piece of blocking at a diagonal would that block line of sight?
Is it continous?
_X
XC
Or is the character just at a corner?
_X
_C
If it is continuous, the blocking terrain would indeed block LOF passing through it, even on the exact diagonal. If it is just a corner, it would not block LOF on the diagonal (even if it looks like it pokes out a little bit... some of the maps were a little sloppy with their lines).
If I have a character with stealth, who is in hindering, and has PC, do I have to turn off my stealth to make said character reroll?
Sure do.
Quote : Originally Posted by mike_houghton
If a person is next to a piece of blocking at a diagonal would that block line of sight?
Depends. You cannot draw line of fire through a square of blocking terrain, but the diagonal intersection between a square of blocking terrain and a square of non-blocking terrain is not blocked for purposes of line of fire - you treat the line of fire as going through the non-blocking terrain (hindering or clear, as appropriate).
Techincally, yes. However, the only reason you wouldn't want to do this is if the other player(s) also had PC since your TA will re-activate at the end of your turn.
Is it continous?
_X
XC
Or is the character just at a corner?
_X
_C
If it is continuous, the blocking terrain would indeed block LOF passing through it, even on the exact diagonal. If it is just a corner, it would not block LOF on the diagonal (even if it looks like it pokes out a little bit... some of the maps were a little sloppy with their lines).
its more like this
___x
__c_
_____m
where x is the corner of a building. I wanted to see a character on a direct diagnol between the two
and thanks for the help guys...guess i better learn all this stuff before WWE
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where x is the corner of a building. I wanted to see a character on a direct diagnol between the two
I am not sure what you mean with that diagram. Is M shooting at C (or vice versa)? Or is one of them shooting at something else entirely? I am assuming X is the blocking terrain.
If M is trying to shoot C (or the other way around), the way the diagram is drawn would not prevent LOF from being drawn at all. If you mean something else, maybe try drawing it again.
So, am I getting the stealth question right? You have Veteran Scarlet Witch in hindering terrain, with stealth turned on, she makes an attack and misses, she then has to turn her stealth off to allow herself to reroll? Is that the scenario and the ruling? Really?
So, am I getting the stealth question right? You have Veteran Scarlet Witch in hindering terrain, with stealth turned on, she makes an attack and misses, she then has to turn her stealth off to allow herself to reroll? Is that the scenario and the ruling? Really?
Actually, since you can't turn powers off mid-action, she'd have to turn her Stealth off even before attacking on the chance she might miss and want to use her PC.
And, yes, that is the ruling, really From the FAQ:
Q: Does a character with Stealth, or a team ability that mimics Stealth, need to cancel its power or team ability in order to use a power such as Perplex or Probability Control on itself?
A: Yes. A character can draw line of fire to itself, but it cannot automatically do so. The team ability or power would need to be canceled in order to draw the line of fire to itself.
That is a really interesting ruling isn't it? Does it seem strange to you that a character can not see or be aware of itself in stealth? It does me a little. I guess in reality it has little effect on the friendly games my firends and I play. But I think it is a strange ruling either way. Thank you for making that ruling clear.
That is a really interesting ruling isn't it? Does it seem strange to you that a character can not see or be aware of itself in stealth?
It is one of those things where it has more to do with the literal wording of the rules and less of 'comic book logic'. According to the rules, Stealth blocks LOF when drawn through hindering terrain. PC requires LOF to function, and only LOF. Same problem can happen with Perplex (and techincally Outwit, though you can't Outwit yourself). Nothing in the descripition of either power makes any special, non-LOF required exceptions for targeting adjacent characters or the character with the power.
I understand what you are saying. The rules need to be enforced as stated for it to be equal across the entire gaming world. I never fully understood LOF for adjacency purposes (although I can imagine that a person in stealth could actually remain hidden even if someone was adajacent to them). So it is even harder to conceptualize LOF to self. But, I understand the wording of the rules and that the game must be played using the wording as the final ruling.
So, am I getting the stealth question right? You have Veteran Scarlet Witch in hindering terrain, with stealth turned on, she makes an attack and misses, she then has to turn her stealth off to allow herself to reroll? Is that the scenario and the ruling? Really?
Just wanted to point out that V Scarlet Witch from Fantastic Forces (which I assume you are talking about as she is the only Veteran Scarlet Witch with Stealth) does not need to cancel her Stealth as her Ultimimates TA lets her ignore the hindering terrain, and thus her own Stealth. In other words: She is a poor example. normalview has the pronciple down right though.
M is me shooting at T ,its a direct diagonal... does that help? that is what I am asking if I can shoot through the intersection of C and the Blocking terrain
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M is me shooting at T ,its a direct diagonal... does that help? that is what I am asking if I can shoot through the intersection of C and the Blocking terrain
Nope. Characters block LOF and so does blocking terrain. Put the two together and M has an obstructed view and can't see T (assuming no Trick Shot, Coordination, T being Giant/Colossal, etc).
Note, a common misconception is that C and X form continuous blocking terrain. That is incorrect. C is a character, after all, not terrain. While this set up may prevent LOF (under normal circumstances), there is still technically a gap between C and X and a character could move through that gap just fine (following normal movment rules).