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If I'm playing a Starro team, and lets say i have it keyworded for rulers.
My opponent plays disbanded. I play nothing (for this example). I opt to ignore Disbanded. My opponent does not.
During my opponent's turn, Starro's quintessence is ignored. So my opponent outwits the psychic blast on starro (for example).
When it becomes my turn, as disbanded is cancelled, Starro's abilities cannot be countered. Does this allow the formerly outwitted power to be restored?
Just want to see how the card might affect Starro in this kind of situation.
Whose turn it is is irrelevant. If you ignore a BFC, that means none of the effects of the BFC is applied to your team. In this case, your force would retain its team abilities (regardless of whose turn it is), while your opponent's team abilities would be ignored (again, regardless of whose turn it is).
In other words, Starro cannot be Outwitted in this particular scenario.
However, another ruling has stated that if Power Cosmic/Quintessence is removed (the example was Mind Controlling the figure and turning the TA off), then any Outwitted powers would return as soon as the TA returned - in other words, at the start of the next turn.
Whose turn it is is irrelevant. If you ignore a BFC, that means none of the effects of the BFC is applied to your team.
Not 100% accurate...for instance, with Krakoa, if you ignore it, you don't get to roll but your opponent does...Technically, you would still feel the effects of the attack...
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Not 100% accurate...for instance, with Krakoa, if you ignore it, you don't get to roll but your opponent does...Technically, you would still feel the effects of the attack...
Queb was right...ignore = not using the BFC. And you pointed it out correctly...ignoring Krakoa means I don't roll for it, my opponent does.
As for Quintessence/Power Cosmic...I'm still not too clear on that. I'm not sure how Starro still cannot be Outwitted if I'm the one playing Disbanded and it's my turn...
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Queb was right...ignore = not using the BFC. And you pointed it out correctly...ignoring Krakoa means I don't roll for it, my opponent does.
True, but I would argue that having my character attacked by the terrain is applying an effect of the BFC to my team.
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I understand the way it works...I'm just saying that saying that "the effects aren't applied to your team" is not exactly accurate.
If I play damage control and choose to ignore it, I still have to abide by the card and not bring objects into the game...I can use Rip it Up, but I still feel the effects of there being no objects at the beginning.
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Quote : Originally Posted by HC FAQ
Q: How does Damage Control get ignored by a themed team – are objects brought into the game?
A: Objects are not brought into the game as the player who is not ignoring the battlefield condition must still abide
by the instruction to “remove all objects from the game.” If the ignoring player has something (like Rip It Up) that
allows for objects to come into the game after this point, those objects would be brought in.
Last edited by ZZZ; 02/14/2008 at 14:17..
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How is Starro able to ignore anything? I though that you had to have atleast 3 figures to get the bonus? How can you have a single figure theme team?
I thought of that...I was assuming that it was more than a 600 point game and that the OP had found enough lower point "rulers" to meet the requirement of 1 character with the keyword per 100 points.
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I thought of that...I was assuming that it was more than a 600 point game and that the OP had found enough lower point "rulers" to meet the requirement of 1 character with the keyword per 100 points.
And this would be the only way he would get the bonus. I guess we need to know if he has more than just one figure.
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How is Starro able to ignore anything? I though that you had to have atleast 3 figures to get the bonus? How can you have a single figure theme team?
It is an unrestricted event where the special rules allow the theme bonus if you have 1 figure for every 300pts of the build total. (The total is 1200 so you only need 4 figs for the keyword bonus)
The judge made it like this so people could use colossal figures.
I don't agree with the whole argument that most people have that whose turn it is is irrelevant. That is a MAJOR factor in ignoring BFCs. Most of the people I play against play BFCs that still matter even if someone ignores them (i.e. Krakoa, Armor Wars, etc.) If I don't ignore Disbanded then TAs ARE NOT in play on my turn. So That means I could ignore the stealth of Batman characters or I don't take damage from Mystics as those team abilities are negated on MY turn. However, on my opponents turn, when the TAs are back in play I would BENEFIT from Batman or Mystics TA when my opponent attacks figs of mine with those TAs.
Now what Quebbster said about powers outwited returning once Quintessance returns would definitely have an affect on the game. Outwitting offensive abilities would be pointless as they would just return on my opponents turn once the Disbanded is ignored again and the TAs come back.
I don't agree with the whole argument that most people have that whose turn it is is irrelevant.
You're right. It's not irrelevant. It actually causes more confusion and problems than it solves. It's better to not use that poor line of logic to being with. Just play the way the rules say to play rather than bringing in your own ideas of how you want the rules to work. You'll have less confusion that way.
From your wording it sounds like he's turning off his own Psychic Blast...
But lets look at it this way.
Say you play disbanded, and ignore the effects of it. Only on your turn though... meaning:
Your offensive Team Abilities, Hydra/Police, Outsiders, Legion/Spidey/Doom/CoH/BPRD, etc etc are all in effect for you.
However, because disbanded IS in effect on your opponents turn, he loses Quintessence, and you lose all of your defensive team abilities, i.e:
Batman, JSA/Defenders, F4 ATA, IL ATA, Mystics/CoV etc.
So in other words... playing Disbanded and ignoring it is essentially useless for removing his Quintessence Ability, except that he will take pushing damage (unless it says otherwise on the rules of Starro, I'm not familiar with that sorry)...
But, here's where it gets interesting... say you play Disbanded and your opponent plays Ordinary Day. If I recall correctly, you can IGNORE his Ordinary Day, and thus have Disbanded in effect on your turn. Which would mean that Starro can be outwitted and you can use your defensive TAs, but not your offensive ones..
This is of course.. assuming they're still allowing you to ignore Ordinary Day... can anyone clarify this?
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You're right. It's not irrelevant. It actually causes more confusion and problems than it solves. It's better to not use that poor line of logic to being with. Just play the way the rules say to play rather than bringing in your own ideas of how you want the rules to work. You'll have less confusion that way.
I am playing the way the rules state. When you ignore a BFC it is on your turn. It is not the game as a whole. I ignore disbanded it doesn't mean that just my TAs are in play. It means that all TAs are in play on MY turn. And if my opponent doesn't ignore it then TAs are NOT in play on HIS turn.
And secondly: Don't be an ###. I stated my opinion from my understanding of the rules from MANY judges rulings...from MANY forums on this subject...and from MANY faqs and so forth. I wasn't offending anyone. I didn't attack anyone. Where as your response IMPLIED that i just decided on my own to warp the rules some how. You aren't having an intelligent discussion in when you do that. You are just being a jerk. You don't like my post and you think it is wrong: Fine. Just don't be an ### about it.