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Since Trait's can't be countered and Ben's Trait applies to himself (as well as adjacent FF keyword friendlies), he effectively has un-outwittable Toughness, correct?
Specifically I'm think on his Invuln clicks, if Invulnerability is Outwitted, he will still reduce damage by one. Sound right?
I'm not considering Armor Piercing, Psychic Blast or Exploit Weakness those should all overrule the trait.
Since Trait's can't be countered and Ben's Trait applies to himself (as well as adjacent FF keyword friendlies), he effectively has un-outwittable Toughness, correct?
Specifically I'm think on his Invuln clicks, if Invulnerability is Outwitted, he will still reduce damage by one. Sound right?
I'm not considering Armor Piercing, Psychic Blast or Exploit Weakness those should all overrule the trait.
Since Trait's can't be countered and Ben's Trait applies to himself (as well as adjacent FF keyword friendlies), he effectively has un-outwittable Toughness, correct?
Specifically I'm think on his Invuln clicks, if Invulnerability is Outwitted, he will still reduce damage by one. Sound right?
Correct.
Quote : Originally Posted by j-pop
I'm not considering Armor Piercing, Psychic Blast or Exploit Weakness those should all overrule the trait.
Not quite correct. Psychic Blast and Exploit Weakness deal penetrating damage. The Glossary definition of Penetrating damage is "Damage that cannot be reduced by powers that reduce damage dealt" (emphasis mine) - it says nothing about traits though, so Ben would still get to reduce the damage. You could say his trait works like the life Model Decoy feat...
Armor Piercing still bypasses the trait though as that only deals with the damage itself.
Not quite correct. Psychic Blast and Exploit Weakness deal penetrating damage. The Glossary definition of Penetrating damage is "Damage that cannot be reduced by powers that reduce damage dealt" (emphasis mine) - it says nothing about traits though, so Ben would still get to reduce the damage. You could say his trait works like the life Model Decoy feat...
Armor Piercing still bypasses the trait though as that only deals with the damage itself.
Hasn't this been errated such that penetrating damage now goes through traits as well?
"Penetrating and unavoidable damage are clarified to read that it cannot be reduced by powers or traits."
Quote : Originally Posted by drfaust176
Well, looks like the ol' Pulse Wave+Ben Grimm combo's out the window.
Quote : Originally Posted by nbperp
Unless Ben is just outside the PW range (but adjacent to someone inside it)
I'm not seeing how PW is affected at all. What am I missing?
Unavoidable and Penetrating have changed. Pulse Wave has not. PW's damage is neither Penetrating nor Unavoidable. I don't see where anything changed in the way traits interact with Pulse Wave.