I had an opposing player explain to me that Incap would only "stick" if the chosen number came up on either die. Otherwise it was just a waste of a free action and no incap occurred. I can see how it might be interpreted that way, but I always assumed he could use Incap as a free action, period. The rolling of the dice was just to see if you get a bonus token out of it.

Am I wrong, or should it be interpreted as this:

If you successfully attack and then roll the 2d6 and neither die has the number you predicted, no tokens would be placed on the character. If you had rolled a critical hit, one damage would still be dealt even though no tokens are placed.

So, just to confirm, what if you had 'Stunning Blow' tacked on?

Would the attack ('Riddle me this') allow you to do damage, with the token assignment being a completely seperate issue?

Yes that is correct. B/c u hit with incap so u do the 2 dmg. then roll roll to see if tokens are applied, it either 0, 1, or 2.

This makes Riddler great with SB full movement attack plus probability to incap target.

egads! I appreciate all the help!

i disagree. just because the power says that ''if the number shows up on either die, incapacitate resolves normally'', it doesn't imply that it would NOT resolve normally if the number doesn't show up.

i think it means, ''if the number shows up once, don't worry about it. just resolve it normally. if it shows up twice, now you're cookin''.

As was pointed out, you'd need not bother mentioning it at all in the text if it worked that way. Since the designers took the trouble to add it (and nbperp is the rules arb) we can be pretty much assured that if you don't see the number, nothing happens.

But... He can just use it normally. No chances on the extra gamble. NO?
You hafta roll doubles to get any extra incapacitation.
14 letter word used!!! 1 extra point of damage.

Not if he wants to use it as a free action. As a standard action, it works normally. As a free action, it requires the roll.

That's what I meant.
W/ Stunning Blow it's great as a standard action.

nbperp's explanation makes the most sense. A free action that automatically incaps and might incap twice? That would be sick. No, there's got to be that chance it might miss.


here's my question - once you use the free action incap, can you then give him an action to incap again>? I'm thinking not, because the text specifically says "or", but can anyone confirm?

there is a chance it might miss. it's when you roll to see if the attack succeeds.

also, the players guide changed it to 'riddler can use incapacitate once per turn.'

Yeah, that was just to indicate that if Riddler uses an action to use Incapacitate normally, he can't also use the free action incap to possibly get it twice.

NO W/ Stunning Blow its great as a free action.

You move riddler out and free incap. You deal 2 damage due to SB (regardless if tokens are assigned). Next turn you use free incap again for 2 more damage. following tun free incap for 2 damage and then normall attack for 2 damage.

He can just keep rolling out damage each turn with free actions with stunning blow. Add AP to help hit those big targets and hes a pain.

I would say that SB cannot be used when using the free action.


When using the free action, there are no normal effects to which it would be an addition.


You have the choice of using the normal effects, but if you don't do that (ie, you make the free action) you don't do what is required to get the Stunning Blow effect.



I'm not saying that is definitely how it is. I can see the argument that the new effect would now be considered the "normal" effect. There are two ways to see it, and I'd see it (and rule it) as I said above.

(I may be biased by the fact that I don't like feats and SPs being usable.)