I think it works but, I wanted to ask opinions. Could I put alias on a figure without shape change, and then put camoflauge on that same character?? and even further, if it works, then alias is optional, so could I keep alias on him at all times??

No, to put a feat on a figure it must qualify for the feat on at least one click of it's dial without any sort of external modification to the figure.

It's similar to how figures who are Bat Allies often do not qualify for stealth feats. Because they do not actually have stealth, they have a team ability that allows them to use stealth.

Sorry.

You cannot do that.

From the rulebook, p. 19:
"In order to be assigned a feat, a character must meet its prerequisites.
A prerequisite power or combat value does not need to be visible on a character’s starting click for the character to be assigned the feat, but the character’s combat dial must be able to turn so that all power and combat value prerequisites for the feat are visible through the stat slot at the same time."

Alias being a feat card, it would never be visible through the stat slot.

I thought I read that it was ruled the opposite. That yes it works.

I will look.

But if they have a team ability allows then to USE STEALTH, shouldn't they qualify to the use of feat that require stealth? I tough this was similar to the use of special powers that allow you to use a certain power to qualify for the use of a feat, like the riddler's stunning blow...

The passage from the rules that Drunky quoted explains why the Bat Ally TA doesn't qualify figs to use feats that require Stealth. The TA is never visible through the stat slot, so they will never qualify for the feat. Yes, there are feats that require TA's, but by having the TA Prereq, they are made as exceptions to the rule.

It isn't an exception. The need to be visible through the stat slot only applies to prerecquisites that are powers or combat values.

Anyway, thanks for the support.

Batman Allies can use Stealth via the team ability. The meet the prerequisite is therefore met to be assigned and to use feats with a prerequisite of Stealth.

yeah harpua, you go and tell that to GD (if you can, lol!)

it seems that team abilities are abilities but not that kind of abilities, so you can´t... (even if i think that you should)

As Harpua says, Bat Allies can use feats that require Stealth as a pre-req. It's covered in the rules and in the player's guide: if a character can use a standard power or ability through a special power or ability they can be assigned feats requiring the standard power or ability.

The Alias/Camo trick won't work, though, because the character doesn't have Shape Change provided by a standard or special power or ability: you can't use a feat to meet the pre-req for a feat.

Sorry, no. Team abilities that allow the use of powers to not meet the prereq of a feat.

For one thing, this was in my right up back when FF first released and I wrote a summary of rulebook changes (link here for the full post). Note the emphasized text at the end:
Now that's now a rulebook or anything, so let's take a look at page 19:
On its face, this seems to support the idea that a team ability can allow the use of a feat. Team Abilities are a type of ability, so "If a character can use a power or ability via a special power or ability..." should mean that a "character can use Stealth via a Team Ability would allow the prerequisite.

But now, take a look at the Player's Guide, page 3:
This bullet clarifies rulebook that any ability that lets you use a power is not sufficient to meet the prereq - it must be a special power or a trait (in addition to the obvious of having the power itself). By limiting the description from "special power or ability" to "special power or ability", the clarification removes any doubt about team abilities - they do not act as prereqs for feats.

Norm, you have an amazing way of adding mud to a semi-clear situation. Any chance you can proof read your post and make sense of it?

This:

should be corrected into that:

And it's all clear.

LOL, but that's true for the bigger part of this thread. Actually, I didn't really get what Harpua was trying to say, either.

there you go for not believe me... you...you... unbelieveber!


PD: thanks Norm!