AGENT PROVOCATEUR: Spider-Woman can use Outwit. When Spider-Woman uses Outwit, she can use it normally, or she can counter all powers of a choosen type (move, attack, damage or defense) of all adjacent characters.


Can I assume this means, if she so pleased, Spider-woman could use Agent Provocateur to counter the movement powers of stealth characters? Meaning that LOS would not be needed to activate the power. On a personal note : I'm not sure how I missed this one, considering I own the piece.

Correct, she can Outwit Stealth on stealthed characters.

I'm gonna say no on that since it says "When Spider-Woman uses Outwit, she can use it normally, or she can....". To me that goes with all the other special outwit powers of this type, and implies that you are still using outwit, and to use outwit on a character, you must have line of sight.

At the same time though... this would cause a lot of confusion if she was adjacent to 3 characters in a corner formation... as it does say counter all powers of all adjacent characters... and in a corner situation, she wouldn't actually have line of sight to one of the characters. In this situation, X is Spider-Woman. She would not have line of sight to 2.

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I would still say that it works just like regular outwit as far as how line of sight is figured. However, I had her copying the Ultimates team ability recently and she was amazing. She was In Stealth and could outwit a person who was using stealth. AWESOME.

Nah, she can Outwit Leap/Climb, Running Shot, and Stealth on all 3 should she find herself adjacent to 1, 2, and 3.

Again, LoF is not needed.

The players guide words it a bit differentlyI would still say, going by this wording, that she is using it as if using outwit normally, just with a variation on what is countered.... but since she is using outwit still, I would say that Line of fire is required to the characters she is outwitting and that the blocked LoF was just something that was never taken into consideration in dial design, nor was it able to get clarified / errata'd before wizkids bit the bullet.

I'll believe it when Harpua or NBPerp says so. I'm not calling anybody dumb or a liar, but those two are the go to guys for rule decisions.

Figures.

There's the "or" in that SP...she uses it normally or against adjacent figures.

No mention of LoF is needed.

Crazier things have been errata'd.

You've posted enough times that no LoF is needed, and pretty much in the same way each time. That's probably enough. We get the point. You don't believe LoF is needed. The fact still remains, she is using outwit, and outwit require line of fire.

Ain't worth going there.

Waitin' 'til someone comes along to back me up.

this has been ruled on many times.
As we know SP overrule normal powers with what they say.
1 all powers of one type overwrites one power
2 all adjacent figures overwrites LoF.

this stands true for crispus allen

there should be many forums on here about this.


Following the logic that adjacent does not overwrite LoF would also mean that every other SP that has special wording would not overwrite the basic power and would be useless.

That's one for me, but according to the masses, you're not Harpua or NBPerp...so we still gotta wait.

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