This came up in the Marquee today:

Someone was using Scorpio and the opponent gets to choose the location of the key provided it is 5 spaces away from the starting areas.

So the opponent placed the key in a square of the orange special terrain that is marked on the inside of the Helicarrier bridge.

The terrain states Characters cannot move into or occupy these squares.

http://heroclix.com/wp-content/uploa...7/s4-rules.jpg

So by placing the key in that square it was impossible for Scorpio to get his key. I ruled it legal since the terrain only restricts characters and not objects. Was I correct?

Same map: If a character is knocked back into the orange terrain, is normal knockback damage dealt since something impedes its progress? I think no because the terrain is not blocking terrain, a wall, or elevated terrain. Again, correct?

Thanks.

Yes. I see nothing that would prevent that.
The orange terrain on the Helicarrier S-4 map blocks movement, so the character would be dealt 1 normal knock back damage, and then an additional 1 unavoidable damage from the special rules of the map.

I house ruled that objects cannot be placed in squares that characters cannot legally move through for occasions such as that...who wants to deal with that crap in friendly games?

Orange terrain IS clear terrain ? I though you can only place objects in clear terrain, and thu that orange terrain was off limits. Was I wrong ?

Special terrain is a modifier of existing terrain, unless the special terrain description specifically says otherwise.

For example, if the descrption were to say "this is blocking terrain", then it is blocking terrain. Otherwise, the terrain type is the same as whatever area it appears within. In the Helicarrier's case, there is nothing in the description to say it is not clear terrain and, on the map, there are no additional colored boundary lines indicating that it is hindering or blocking or anything other than clear.

So it is clear. Clear with some additional special rules, sure, but still clear.

argh. Been plain' that wrong for years.
Thansk anyway

What about adjacency? I assume that because an orange square is "10,000 feet below squares" that it would NOT be adjacent to a non-orange square? That would therefore prevent a character like Nightcrawler from "placing" a carried character in an orange square? Correct?

The special rules for the orange borders on the Helicarrier indoor map are:

Orange squares are 10,000 feet below squares. Characters can't move into or occupy these squares. If a character's knock bath path is stopped by one of these squares, deal that character an additional 1 unavoidable damage.

The orange 10,000 feet below squares would still be considered adjacent to non-orange squares, but Nightcrawler still can't place a character in one because they can't be occupied by characters. But if a heavy or light object found it's way into one adjacent to a non-orange square, a character with Super Strength could still pick up said object when moving adjacent to it.

I would agree with this logic.

Got it. Thanks. Interesting that a normal object in an orange square can be grabbed by an adjacent character with super strength. They must have built in flight rings.

I'm actually kind of surprised that they didn't add a line similar to the Open Air (low gravity) squares on Hawkworld.

But they didn't, so it works how I described above .