Outwit is a nutty, and awfully abused ability. I'm beginning to fear a rules overhaul in the works at WizKids, depending on how things go after the next two expansions. With that in mind, here are some ideas about how this overused power should be redefined.

Proposed ideas for limiting Outwit (vote on your favorite or add some of your own):

1: Outwit should cost an action.

2: Outwit should require a roll of the dice (as with Leadership)

3: Outwit should be limited to the range of the character using it (min range = base to base contact).

4: Only one outwit can be used per force per turn.

There we go. Ideas?

5. Leave it as it is. There are enough FAQ and errata rulings we don't need more. This same thing happened in Magic the Gathering and it ruined the game for many.

change is bad!

Rules changes just clog the game up and you spend more time researching the errata than playing the game.

I agree completely, since when is outwit been a problem? If it isn't broken dont' fix it, stop ur complaining its annoying.

Not nearly as annoying as your mangling of the English language. This is a discussion forum. He's discussing. You knew what the topic was when you opened it, so why are YOU complaining?

I do think Outwit is overpowered in relation to Invulnerability, but that's about it. A free 2 damage at 10 Range without an action is pretty vicious, and it's why Invulnerability is rarely worth its point cost.

you playing at Antioch this weekend Fridayweb?

I disagree, Invulnerability is worth the cost because it ties up the outwitter from outwitting something else. Or perhaps the outwitter is outwitting Prob Control instead and Invulnerability goes untouched.

The stategy would be to take out the outwitter asap!

if bizarro has the "no supermans allowed club" team ability & he's next to an intergang member will he really have outwit?

as funny as that is yes he would!

I agree don't change it. Perplex is almost as bad and only Darkseid and V Mr.Fantastic have it with a power so they wont easily lose it. I think thats it. Well you change Outwit and all those characters that have it go to the ####ter.

That's true (WOW! I'm agreeing with Thanoseid). Those figures were valued according to the power as it is. Re-structuring the power would mean re-structuring the point values of those figures that have Outwit. And then you end up with a great big mess!

outwit has the should be left alone, thers nothing wrong with it, same rules for both teams not like it favors anyone.

You're complaining about Outwit in a Marvel forum. Two Marvel characters start with Outwit. Three more gain it halfway down the dial. A handful more gain a click or two of it right before they die. That's maybe 25 figures (counting REV and U) in a set of nearly 350.

Take it to the DC forum, where it's given out like candy (comboed with stuff like Bat-team Stealth, Super-senses, Impervious, etc.)

There's nothing wrong with outwit. You don't even need to have an outwitter on your team if you're good enough of a player. It's one of many powers.

Now back in the day when I though I could use Super Strength with CCE and Charge, wow, I loved Doomsday I can tell you that much.