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Ok, here's my question....I have a friend that says that you can carry as many figures in a turn as you want, as long as the carrying character begins and ends his movement adjacent to all the characters moved........For example, say I have a Green Goblin who is in front of and adjacent to three Vet Cyclops'.....I pick up the first Cyclops, move one square, and set him in front of GG...Then I move one square back, pick up another Cyclops, move one square forward, and set him in front of GG, to the right of the first Vet Cyclops...Then I move back one square, pick up the third Vet Cyclops, move forward one square and set him in front of GG, to the left of the first Vet Cyclops, and then end GG's movement adjacent to all three Cyclopses.....I have only moved GG five squares total, all carried characters were adjacent to GG at the beginning and end of his movement, so why would this move be illegal???? Here is a picture of what I mean before and after(C's are Cyclopses, G is Green Goblin):
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I know that this move should be illegal, but it does not say in the rules or the FAQ that a carrying character must end its movement when it drops off a carried character, only the the two characters must begin and end their movement adjacent to one another......What do you guys think???
You can carry one fig per turn with a normal flying character. The character you are carrying has to start adjacent to the character carrying and the fig can be dropped only at the end of the flier's move.
But it does not say that the character can only carry one fig, only that the movement must begin and end with both figs adjacent to each other......In my example all figs begin and end movement adjacent to each other......I understand what you are saying, however, according to the current rules text, I believe that this movement is legal......
Nope... the text says "Both" figures... therefore, only two figures (taxi and fare) can be involved.
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A taxi ends his/her movement when he/she sets a figure down. They're action is over. (exception: RS and Charge, but his/her move portion is still done)
However, it can be argued that both GG and C1 are adjacent, both GG and C2 and both GG and C3....Please don't think that I am being obtuse, I really don't think that this action should be legal either, but until I get a convincing counterargument, I will not be able to convince my friend....We are both long time Magic players, and if you have ever seen the Magic Comprehensive Rules, you will understand why I need something more definitive....(Since we are both used to very tricky rules interpretations).....
"To be carried, a friendly character (KEY WORD. SINGLE CHARACTER. THERE IS NO 'S' AT THE END OF CHARACTER) must be adjacent to the flying character at the beginning of the flying character's move. During the move action, count the flier's movement squares as normal, including flight mode changes. At the end of the move, the flying character must be in hover mode, and must place the carried character in an adjacent open square."
The rules are very specific and when read as a whole make perfect sense with no 'loopholes' possible.
You two have to remember: this is not MtG! This is Heroclix. MtG went downhill somewhere after Ice Age.
Only the Green Lantern Team Ability allows a flying character to carry more than one figure (up to 8 actually) BUT the figures MUST BE carried at the same time. Not like in your scenario from your first Post.
The Green Lantern team's special power is that they may taxi all figures adjacent to them. If any flyer could do this already, then why is it specified only for the GLC?
Read the rules carefully. Look for singular pronouns. Only one figure may be carried.
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Another good day at work. All the computers up and running. All employees happy and ready for tomorrow. All customers satisfied. All pigs fed and ready to fly."
Originally posted by ro_gan
You two have to remember: this is not MtG! This is Heroclix. MtG went downhill somewhere after Ice Age.
I wholeheartedly agree with you on this. There were maybe 1 or 2 more expansions that were okay afterwards, but it killed it for me. All the rules changes and errata and FAQ and banned cards and limited cards and tournament legal this and tournament legal that, and when you thought you had the tournament rules figured out...WHAM!!!! they add 2 or 3 more types of tourneys. I really don't want this same thing to happen to clix!
I don't believe that singular pronouns are necessarily the answer, as in my scenario GG was only carrying one character at a time....Also, the opening line in the rule book on "Carrying" says that "Flying characters may carry other friendly characters," both of which are plural.....However I do believe that the answer is in the specific statement that reads "At the end of the move, the flying character must be in hover mode, and must place the carried figure in an adjacent open square."....This does suggest that only one character can be carried.....However, every other statement merely says that the carrying and carried figs must be adjacent at the end of the move....I think that I can convincingly argue that this is illegal based on the above rules quote, however....
I personally think MTG has gotten better since Ice Age, and I even stopped playing for a few years between Homelands and Urza's because I didn't think the cards were being thought out well enough....Now with the new expansions, strategies seem to work better, and you don't see as many utterly pointless cards as there once were....
I don't want the rule this way...That was the point of the thread....My friend always argues that it should be allowed, and I always argued that it shouldn't, and that the spirit of the rules was that only one figure can be carried at a time.....But until i got some kind of a consensus on the matter, my friend wouldn't listen to me (and we would continue to argue every time we played).....