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(Special) Empowered by Deception: When an opposing character within 4 squares rolls a 1 or 2 for a Shape Change roll, you may heal Batman of 1 damage.
So when Batman is on Exploit Weakness and is given a close combat action to use it targeting an opposing character with shape change. They roll a 1 or 2 and you choose to heal. Would the action end? Or would you continue with a close combat attack brought by the close combat action just the damage is no longer penetrating?
As Well let's say he's on the Steal Energy Click and heals from empowered onto blades. Would he be able to use Blades or would he have to start on that power? As it only triggers on being given a close combat action.
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(Special) Empowered by Deception: When an opposing character within 4 squares rolls a 1 or 2 for a Shape Change roll, you may heal Batman of 1 damage.
(Speed) RISE: Batman can use Stealth and Leap/Climb.
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You already activated the power. Nothing in its description states it ends when lost.
Quote : Originally Posted by Necromagus
When I came on board as RA I brought with me a mission to meet the intent of a power/ability and a firm distaste for exploits or loopholes that circumvented the intention of a rule. That's where the Rules team comes in.
Then, why is it if you have Flurry and steal energy, or Flurry and roll a crit miss or hit a Mystic, and you lose Flurry, then you can't make the second Flurry attack?
Not that I'm an expert at this stuff, but I say if you heal mid-action and lose a power you had activated, you can't use the power. You also can't now use stuff that has shown up that you didn't have before. You would, however, get to use a 10 attack instead of a 9 if, for example, you started on 5 and healed up to 4.
This sounds similar to Flurry/Steal Energy, like Puuka mentioned. Where you definitely wouldn't be using Exploit if you healed off of the click with it. Being able to use B/C/F though? I'm not sure.
Then, why is it if you have Flurry and steal energy, or Flurry and roll a crit miss or hit a Mystic, and you lose Flurry, then you can't make the second Flurry attack?
You cannot complete Flurry's second action for the same reason you cannot complete Hypersonic Speed's movement when lost. They specifically mention that it ends when lost, Exploit Weakness does not.
Quote : Originally Posted by Necromagus
When I came on board as RA I brought with me a mission to meet the intent of a power/ability and a firm distaste for exploits or loopholes that circumvented the intention of a rule. That's where the Rules team comes in.
That was my thouht as well. lol
There is some stealth and poison on those last two clicks, may be getting one of those mixed up with steal energy?
For the purposes of the trait heal though you have to declare blades when you make your attack I believe. Hmm, you haven't rolled for the attack yet when they get a 1 or 2 on shape change, so I would think you would get to declare blades at that time.
I do question the continued effect from Exploit, but I see MisterId's point.
Originally posted by JBShip628: Cosmic Spider-Man's LoF is NEVER blocked. See that Batman 4 tables down. Yeah, Cosmic Spidey can shoot at him.
If the character failed super senses and she healed off steal energy, then she would not be able to benefit from steal energy.
The reason is that when steal energy's condition is met when you deal damage, at the time you deal damage you no longer have steal energy.
I'm not sure how BCF would be ruled.
Technically when BCF would activate(after the attack has hit), you'd have the power, but BCF was not around to have its condition met(When given a close combat action). I would probably say that no BCF could not be used, but I could be wrong.
BCF activates when you make the attack, which is granted by the action. In Wonder Woman's case she would not be able to use it, as her attack roll has aleady been made in order for the Super Senses roll to have been performed.
In Batman's case, Shape Change is rolled before the attack roll, so I would think that he would still be able to use BCF.
Originally posted by JBShip628: Cosmic Spider-Man's LoF is NEVER blocked. See that Batman 4 tables down. Yeah, Cosmic Spidey can shoot at him.
BCF activates when you make the attack, which is granted by the action. In Wonder Woman's case she would not be able to use it, as her attack roll has aleady been made in order for the Super Senses roll to have been performed.
In Batman's case, Shape Change is rolled before the attack roll, so I would think that he would still be able to use BCF.
BCF's condition is "When this character is given a close combat action,"
That condition is checked before both shape change and super senses.
"When this character is given a close combat action, you may roll a d6 after making a successful attack roll. The result replaces this character’s damage value, then that damage value is locked."
I would think that if she healed onto BCF from a failed super senses, then she might get it. Technically the character was given a close combat action, and when the 'may' comes up is after the attack roll is successful(also after the failed super senses).
So I see it going both ways, depending on when the actual condition is checked.
Is it checked at the beginning when the character is given the close combat action?
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Does BCF check to see if the character was given a close combat action after making a successful attack?