I'm not against the new 52 concept, it's resulted in a few books that I really like, a few that I'd wanted to like, but didn't, and yes, it's deleted a whole lot of chracters that I have a great deal of affection for. But OK, if there's anything I've learned from 35 years of reding comics, these things happen, from time to time.

But the #0 month, which I'd hoped to give some answers about the way the world works, has just muddied the waters. Here's some things that have me baffled... (from #0s and before). Has anyone got some answers, perhaps from titles I don't read... I'm also curious what things have stumped you.

Titans or no Titans?
Red Hood and the Outlaws #1. Roy asks Kori if the names Dick, Garth, Dustin, Vic, Lilith or Gar mean anything to her, implying the existence of the pre-new52 Titans. But in the Titans own book, it's clear that there was no group by this name, and in Ravagers, Gar's origin story seems to involve him being snatched by Harvest from Rita and Niles. I did wonder if RH&tO were dimension-hopping chracters to cloud the issue, but the night of Owls crossover put paid to that.

Hal and the Justice League
Justice League #7 explicitly brings us up to Present Day. Hal is acting like a child, taunting Batman and demanding snacks from Steve Trevor, and yet in his own title, also presumably present day, has a mature Hal Jordan coming to terms with life away from bein a Lantern before Sinestro swoops in and takes him on a non-stop journey to his current ... situation. When in the Present Day did Hal sneak off with his ersatz power ring to go act the clown with the JL?

Deathstroke and T7
Team 7 #0 shows it was formed 5 years ago as a direct result of Superman in action (so to speak), and in those 5 years, Deathstroke has lived at least 15 years, probably closer to 20? This may be fall out from the whole Liefield thing, but still...

Batgirl and Bidrs of Prey
In Batgirl #1 we see a Barbara Gordon getting back out there after her recovery. In Birds of Prey #0, set "one year ago" has Batgirl confident, competent and in action. Which might be oaky if we assume BoP & Batgirl proceeded in real-time since #1... but doesn't really hold up with BoP#1.

I'm not reading any current DC books for the continuity, just good stories that hopefully don't contradict each other. I'm surprised about the Hal Jordan bit since it's the same writer for JL and GL, but I just follow Green Lantern as my go-to Geoff Johns book.

I read about the Birds of Prey hiccup in their #0 issue, so it appears an editor slipped up somewhere.

That being said, I only follow the main GL book.

Though JL #7-12 is Present Day, I think it's still a bit before the events in GL #1-12. When Hal peaces out at the end of JL #12, you can see he's being the more mature person we know from the GL run. My theory is that GL #1-12 happen right after JL #12, over the course of just a few days.

It's a mistake to think that all "Present Day" storylines are happening simultaneously. Batman alone is in like 6 different books that happen in the present, so clearly they're spread over several different weeks. One book's five-story arc might take place in 12 hours, where another one skips around several months in a single issue. For it to work, it's got to be elastic.

-Zergo

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I avoid all of this continuity stuff by looking at each book as it's own little world. I don't look at the entire universe as a whole unless it's a big storyline. It makes reading comics and reboots that much more enjoyable. I'm not constantly spotting things that couldn't have happened because character X was doing something else in another comic.

I agree with this. It's why ASM is so darn good. If you take Slott's run/world as it's own little creation (which you should) then you don't get bogged down in all the other Spidey action.

I'd go mad trying to make it all cohesive. I think Marvel (and DC!)has gone mad trying to streamline it. Makes for much worse storytelling.

And then there's Bendis. The most egregious offender who you can't help but notice his lack of willingness to play with others.

Mmm yes, I guess that's the thing... before the new 52 I didn't worry about such things because everybod knew things were all ... wonderfully illogical, because of years of storytelling colliding. But If you're going to restart a shared world, if you're going to go to the effort of saying 'five year ago', yes if you're going to sacrifice your history to make it all fit together... it would be nice if it fit together.

Another one:

Zatanna and the Justice League: In Justice League Dark, Zee and the Bats are in the Justice League base and Zatanna binds him there because she knows that magic is her area... and yet we're told in later issues of Justice League that there have only ever been the seven Justice Leagues, that nobody has ever been let in, apart from the MArtian Manhunter and that went horribly wrong.

If you're shelling out the money to read so many DC/Marvel titles and continuity is an issue for you, I understand the concern. I was buying a lot of titles at one point until I realized to consolidate to the best writers for my favorite characters. So now instead of reading 4 GL titles, I just read the main one since Geoff Johns handles the GL universe better relatively compared to New Guardians, Red Lanterns, and GL Corps IMO. I'd say just follow the title if it appeals to you under the respective creative team.

If you're torrenting all these comics and still complaining about continuity, I have no compassion for you since you're not supporting the industry.

I admire your vehemence! I buy my comics ... in fact, I have developed a new and disturbing habit of buying my digital version through Comixology and still buying paper copies of a subset of my monthly comics to support my comic store!

And I just can't get over the fact that these stories did not need the marriage to magically poof in about 95% of the cases! The problem wasn't the marriage, the problem was the writing.

I think Wanda Maximoff has filed a restraining order to keep him 50 yards away from her plotlines at this point.

(Really, she should hop across to DC and hook up with Hal Jordan. They have way too much in common...)

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