My Team's Better Than Your Team: Founding Avengers vs Founding JLA
Welcome to a new flyingicarus and Gargantua production.

Here is a proposed series of games meant to counter-point our bigger or more involved games.

The premise is simple. We start at 800 points to use (to be adjusted if needed). Feats and relics may be used but nothing else and can be used up to 10% of the total cost.


Asgardians vs Kryptonians
Fantastic Four vs Cap's Kooky Quartet
70s JLA vs 70s Avengers

This is not to say we couldn't do the Inhumans vs Great Ten. Any match is game.

The winner chooses his next line up for the other player to match with a team of their own.

Score board:

Spider-Man enemies win over Batman enemies
1970s Avengers triumphed over Justice League
Kryptonians beat the Asgardians
The Original X-Men narrowly gained victory over the Original Teen Titans
Cap's Kooky Quartet trumped the Fantastic Four
Founding Avengers took the founding JLA

And now...the original Brotherhood & modern Masters of Evil vs. Original Masters of Evil and modern Brotherhood

I get to use the 'modern' MOE and 'original' Brotherhood. As usual we get 10% of points in feats.

Because of Zemo's trait I've given all the figures with MOE as a keyword Thunderbolts. There's definitely a good/bad to that.

Same is true for the figures I'm fielding for the Brotherhood. Most are quite good but I had to squeeze in a few lemons when I might have been better off using those powers for Masters.

90 MU042 Unus the Untouchable (Endurance)
76 GX033 Blob (Protected)
23 CT037 Toad (Alias)
25 MM006 Vanisher (Passenger)
75 FFCW006 Scarlet Witch (Nanobots)
111 CW032 Quicksilver (Armor Piercing)
117 MU052 Mastermind (Mental Shields)
210 WXM037B Magneto (Fortitude)
67 FF044 Songbird (Endurance)
76 HA022 Moonstone (Thunderbolts to Batman)
105 FI008 Titania (Thunderbolts to Mystics)
50 CW004 Egghead (Thunderbolts to Crime Syndicate)
100 CW041 Baron Zemo (Thunderbolts to Batman)
134 IH033 Tiger Shark (Thunderbolts to Mystics)
44 IC042 Boomerang (Thunderbolts to Masters of Evil)
200 FI024 Greithoth (Thunderbolts to Mystics)

1503

I roll 11 for inish, 6 for tie.

"Imposters! You will crush them in the name of Zemo!" Baron Zemo says.

"Yeah, that'll bring in the crowds," Moonstone jokes.

"The true Masters of Evil will destroy the posers," Egghead adds.

"As will the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants," Magneto says, "I don't know those posing as a new Brotherhood but we will destroy them."

"Yes, master," the Toad snivels.

"Sure will," the Blob adds, "Even if I gotta sit on 'em."

I hesitate to mention this, as the last thing I'd want are more Mystics, but Thunderbolts now allows you to copy only Marvel TAs. But I'm actually okay house ruling it the old way if you want.

Brotherhood:
Rogue (GX30-Rip It Up) 128
Pyro (GX) 74
Mystique (GX-Brilliant Tactician) 86
Sabretooth (GX-Auto Regen) 96
V Destiny 29
V Avalanche (Construct) 32
Spiral 56
Black Tom Cassidy 55
Kuurth (Repulsor Shield) 199
Dark Beast (Pounce) 69

MOE:
Baron Zemo (CA-Fortitude) 150
Enchantress (HA-Asgardian) 141
V Executioner (Asgardian) 89
V Radioactive Man (Thunderbolts-Mystics) 80
Black Knight (CW20) 95
Wonder Man (CW28-Secret Avengers) 118

1494

I actually have about another 20 points to spend on Feats/ATAs, but I need to get confirmation on how one of them works before I commit to it.

And I roll an 8 for initiative. Your choice on map.

"He wears my mask! He wears my costume! The effrontery! I will kill him for it. Him and all who follow this impostor!" Baron Zemo cursed.

"I'd rather be crushing the Avengers, but I will follow you into battle against all enemies," the Executioner said.

"Isn't he cute? He's like a puppy," Amora said.

"Do not mock me, Amora," Skurge said, obviously hurt by her words. "Do not confuse my loyalty with blindness."

"Let us not squabble amongst ourselves when we have so many enemies to destroy," the Radioactive Man said.

"I like the way you think, Green Jeans," Sabretooth said. "Let's bust some old Brotherhood skulls."

"Destiny, do you have anything to add?" Mystique said.

"Many possible outcomes are at war with each other. But in all of them, many will fall this day. I am sorry. As the events become more immediate, they will be clearer."

"I never held much with fortune telling. Black Tom Cassidy makes his own fortune!" Cassidy said.

I'll finish up my points by paying for Dissent on Black Tom.

Dissent does, it appears, work on ATAs as well as regular TAs.

That makes dissent even more tasty!

http://www.ianparmenter.com/hcutils2...prefs=abadbcae

Let's do the army base.

As for Thunderbolts only going to Marvel tas. That does make sense to me and if we did that, I'd probably be converting to many more mystics. It's something of a shame that I have to commit the Thunderbolt feat to all those who have it (it's a fantastic feat---just might be nice to do something else for some of the characters). Anyway, I'm cool with going by the rules. If you want to make it a house rule, I'm cool with that too. If you're iffy on it, let's stick to the rule and I'll adjust my next turn.

Alternatively we could allow only Marvel but include ATAs...just not sure the ramifications of that.

If we're going to do Thunderbolts other then strictly as written, I'd rather leave it at allowing Marvel and DC both for Thunderbolts than allow it to copy ATAs.

Hm, interesting map. Shortboarding it a little. Couple of the teams will be starting pretty close.

Brotherhood:
Rogue (GX30-Rip It Up) B4
Pyro (GX) B8
Mystique (GX-Brilliant Tactician) A7
Sabretooth (GX-Auto Regen) B9
V Destiny B6
V Avalanche (Construct) A11
Spiral A4
Black Tom Cassidy B7
Kuurth (Repulsor Shield) B10
Dark Beast (Pounce) B5

MOE:
Baron Zemo (CA-Fortitude) F1
Enchantress (HA-Asgardian) E2
V Executioner (Asgardian) D2
V Radioactive Man (Thunderbolts-Mystics) G1
Black Knight (CW20) G2
Wonder Man (CW28-Secret Avengers) F2

http://www.ianparmenter.com/hcutils2...6&t4=x364y-315

Unus tks Mastermind to M15.

Toad to N16. He's Mastermind's mastermind if needed.

Zemo to J19.

Moonstone to G20.

Unus the Untouchable (Endurance) @ O16
GX033 Blob (Protected) O13
CT037 Toad (Alias) @ N16
MM006 Vanisher (Passenger) P13
FFCW006 Scarlet Witch (Nanobots) O14
CW032 Quicksilver (Armor Piercing) O13
MU052 Mastermind (Mental Shields) M15 (stealthed)
WXM037B Magneto (Fortitude) P14

FF044 Songbird (Endurance) I23
HA022 Moonstone (Thunderbolts to Batman) @ G20 (stealthed)
FI008 Titania (Thunderbolts to Mystics) G23
CW004 Egghead (Thunderbolts to Crime Syndicate) L23
CW041 Baron Zemo (Thunderbolts to Batman) @ J19 (stealthed)
IH033 Tiger Shark (Thunderbolts to Mystics) H23
IC042 Boomerang (Thunderbolts to Masters of Evil) I24
FI024 Greithoth (Thunderbolts to Mystics) J23

http://www.ianparmenter.com/hcutils2...34&u12=x640y19

See, you found a use for Toad.

Black Knight taxis Radioactive Man. N5 for Black Knight, N4 for Radio Man

Wonder Man to H10, taxiing Zemo to G10

Rogue to F9, taxiing Spiral to E8

Black Tom to C5

Destiny to B7

Mystique to C6

Pyro to G11

Kuurth to A12

I guess that's enough for now.

Zemo will Mastermind to Wonder Man.

Brotherhood:
Rogue (GX30-Rip It Up) @ F9
Pyro (GX) @ G11
Mystique (GX-Brilliant Tactician) @ C6 (Stealth)
Sabretooth (GX-Auto Regen) B9
V Destiny @ B7
V Avalanche (Construct) A11
Spiral E8
Black Tom Cassidy @ C5 (Stealth)
Kuurth (Repulsor Shield) @ A12
Dark Beast (Pounce) B5

MOE:
Baron Zemo (CA-Fortitude) G10
Enchantress (HA-Asgardian) E2
V Executioner (Asgardian) D2
V Radioactive Man (Thunderbolts-Mystics) N4
Black Knight (CW20) @ N5
Wonder Man (CW28-Secret Avengers) @ H10

http://www.ianparmenter.com/hcutils2...34&u12=x640y19

Quicksilver hss to I10 attacking Simon. Needs 7, rolls 11. 1 to Simon. Destiny can't pc that. Has flurry....attacks again. Needs 7, rolls 10. 2 to him total. He ends where he started.

Stopping there. Wanda boosts Pietro's dv by 1/

Unus the Untouchable (Endurance) @ O16
GX033 Blob (Protected) O13
CT037 Toad (Alias) N16
MM006 Vanisher (Passenger) P13
FFCW006 Scarlet Witch (Nanobots) O14
CW032 Quicksilver (Armor Piercing) @ O13
MU052 Mastermind (Mental Shields) M15 (stealthed)
WXM037B Magneto (Fortitude) P14

FF044 Songbird (Endurance) I23
HA022 Moonstone (Thunderbolts to Batman) G20 (stealthed)
FI008 Titania (Thunderbolts to Mystics) G23
CW004 Egghead (Thunderbolts to Crime Syndicate) L23
CW041 Baron Zemo (Thunderbolts to Batman) J19 (stealthed)
IH033 Tiger Shark (Thunderbolts to Mystics) H23
IC042 Boomerang (Thunderbolts to Masters of Evil) I24
FI024 Greithoth (Thunderbolts to Mystics) J23

http://www.ianparmenter.com/hcutils2...34&u12=x640y19

"Wonder Man? Really? It's a wonder that you can stand up straight," Quicksilver says catching Wonder Man in a whirlwind and bashing him into the wall.

"That's hardly fair, catching me by surprise," Wonder Man replies.

"I'm a speedster," Pietro says, "That's part of my job.

"Do you want to know my job?" Wonder Man says getting ready to retaliate. By then Quicksilver is long gone.

"Never mind...".

Dark Beast Leaps to I8, Outwits Wanda's ESD

Enchantress and Mystique Perplex Zemo's Damage to 5.

Zemo RS to I9, shoots at Wanda. AV11 on DV16. Gets 7. Wanda makes it 7. She takes 5 for the KO. Zemo takes 1 for Mystic Bashing, but totally worth it.

Avalanche lays down a Barrier.

Sabretooth to H9

Brotherhood:
Rogue (GX30-Rip It Up) F9
Pyro (GX) G11
Mystique (GX-Brilliant Tactician) C6 (Stealth)
Sabretooth (GX-Auto Regen) @ H9
V Destiny B7
V Avalanche (Construct) @ A11
Spiral E8
Black Tom Cassidy C5 (Stealth)
Kuurth (Repulsor Shield) A12
Dark Beast (Pounce) @ I8

MOE:
Baron Zemo (CA-Fortitude) @ I9
Enchantress (HA-Asgardian) E2
V Executioner (Asgardian) D2
V Radioactive Man (Thunderbolts-Mystics) N4
Black Knight (CW20) N5
Wonder Man (CW28-Secret Avengers) H10 (2)

http://www.ianparmenter.com/hcutils2...34&u12=x640y19

"The Scarlet Witch!" Destiny moaned. "If she is not dealt with, all will go poorly for us."

"So be it," Baron Zemo said. Peering around the side of the destroyed tank, he took a shot at Scarlet Witch. One shot brought her down.

"Wanda!!" Quicksilver moaned.

"What's the matter?" Dark Beast taunted him. "Don't like it when payback involves your sister."

"I'll kill you for this! Kill you all!" Quicksilver raged.

"Yes, by all means," Zemo said, "Come, come on with it. We are waiting."

Argh, that's evil! TK and pc gone so fast!

Ok, time for Egghead. Odd but true, he moves to N20.

Well, retaliation time: Magneto vs. Zemo. Needs 7, rolls 3. Has to reroll that: 5. Argh. Toad takes the token.



Unus the Untouchable (Endurance) O16
GX033 Blob (Protected) O13
CT037 Toad (Alias) @ N16
MM006 Vanisher (Passenger) P13
CW032 Quicksilver (Armor Piercing) O13
MU052 Mastermind (Mental Shields) M15 (stealthed)
WXM037B Magneto (Fortitude) @ P14

FF044 Songbird (Endurance) I23
HA022 Moonstone (Thunderbolts to Batman) G20 (stealthed)
FI008 Titania (Thunderbolts to Mystics) G23
CW004 Egghead (Thunderbolts to Crime Syndicate) @ N20
CW041 Baron Zemo (Thunderbolts to Batman) J19 (stealthed)
IH033 Tiger Shark (Thunderbolts to Mystics) H23
IC042 Boomerang (Thunderbolts to Masters of Evil) I24
FI024 Greithoth (Thunderbolts to Mystics) J23

http://www.ianparmenter.com/hcutils2...38&u12=x640y19