I looked for an answer to this but didn't find one so;

When a power says "since your last turn", is it talking about the end of your last turn or the beginning of your last turn?

I know this has been discussed but I am unaware of an actual ruling and I believe it should be since the beginning of your last turn but would like something solid if possible.

The beginning of your last turn was DURING your last turn.

Anything that happens after your turn actually ends is since your last turn. Depending on how many players are in your game, that could encompass quite a lot of stuff.

I was trying to find a ruling for GG#045 Thanos to settle, only to find that Thanos uses the smarter version "since the end of your last turn".

It's quite annoying when a phrase used earlier is clearer than a newer version of the same phrase.

Thanks

Exactly. It really sucks how many, x and y both mean the same as z rulings we are expected to remember.

Seems like oranges shoulda been breaking feet off in GD @$$ for quite some time now.

I can't really speak to this issue specifically, but slight wording changes are often due to the desire to shorten the length of effects and reduce the character count. Why say something with 10 words when you can say the same thing with 5? Especially in cases where a character card is tight on space.

Doesn't mean that the old wording was better or worse, or that the new wording isn't as good or is an improvement... it is just different.

The new wording is less clear and in a game like this less clear is always worse.

And I believe that is often the problem with the special powers. The text is shorten so much that information is lost so it is at best ambiguous.

Like I said, I can't speak to this issue (I had nothing to do with it).

I will say that I disagree that this is any less clear. If I ask you what you've done since I'd last seen you, I sincerely doubt you'd tell me about things you did WHILE I was last with you. Same thing here: the effect cares about stuff that has happened since your last turn (and not during your last turn).

Of course you think that. How long were you an orange, help make rules, and talk to GD in regards to their intent? Try looking at it from the view of someone who was never an orange and doesn't have the insight into rules that you have. We can't all be at your level of understanding and this game shouldn't cater only to those of your level.

Couldn't possibly have said it better myself, rep to you once again sir. I'll probably have to run off and rep someone else first but it shall be done.

jtallday, I'm going to have to disagree with you here my main man. This wording is about as clear as the English language can really accomplish. Since your last turn and since the END of your last turn are, to me, exactly the same thing, but one has extra words. There's no reason to believe that "since your last turn" encompasses anything DURING that turn. There's plenty of examples of language that says since the BEGINNING of your last turn, because that needs to be more specific. and to defend Normal here a little, you asked for something official, and around these parts, he's as official as anyone. So, kind of bad form jumping on him for the opinion you asked for.

Disagree all you like as that is your right. If you had been around for more than a couple of months it would be clear that regardless of your feelings on the matter, this has been asked many times. When something has been asked as many times as this has, it means that there is a fundamental divide between those that read it one way and those that see more than that to the point of uncertainty. There can be no harm adding a word or 2 in order to add crystal clarity so that even the less of advanced of us are able to understand.

I doubt you meant any disrespect but to say that everyone should be able to understand what you understand just as you understand it, is a little bit elitist and almost sounds like you could be implying that one must be at least as sharp as you in order to participate.

Thank you for wanting to help but trust me, I wouldn't have even made this thread if I wasn't just reading about how one more person misunderstood this for the umpteenth time.

VanisherPunisher likely knew the answer but still comes in just to play devils advocate on behalf of those of us who misunderstand the rules because he knows what problems exist since he spends much time helping many of us understand how things work.

If you and I worked together, and we crossed paths this morning as we came in the door, I could easily say that I hadn't seen you since work and I wouldn't be wrong. Now it would obviously be more accurate to say that I saw you "this morning at work" but that is the crux of this discussion.

VP and I are saying that 3 little words would make all the difference and you and Normalview are saying that it is unnecessary. What VP and I realize is that in order for a company/game to survive it needs customers. You and I and the other existing players are more of the exception than the rule. Do you know how many people still play chess? Do you know why? It's because less people than ever want to think about anymore than absolutely necessary. We are a dying breed and the tougher this game gets/remains the shorter its lifespan. This game already died once and it took a great stroke of luck and no shortage of work to revive it. Most of us would not like to see this happen again.

Again thank you for wanting to impact a game that you obviously appreciate and would like to see continue. Consider allowing that by not excluding those that are not as keen as yourself and please rally around WK getting there act together. There utter lack of consistency has caused a cornucopia of unnecessary issues and many to just give up out of pure frustration. Do you know how many changes this game has undergone in the last 2 years? I am not against change but it takes very steadfast individuals to commit to the level that has become needed to continue to keep up with the state of this game and almost entirely because WK has been far more interested in quantity over quality. Wouldn't you hate to disagree yourself right out of a great hobby?

Please don't take offense to anything I have said I simply mean to convey the point that if you are fortunate enough to be in the know than use your ability to help the less fortunate because you could just end up working against yourself otherwise. I never questioned Normalviews officiality and my only words to him that weren't thanks were in response to him making the argument that you just made which is basically "sorry if you don't get it the way I do". That is counterproductive and not really helpful at all. When he answered my actual question I thanked him, it wasn't until he gave opinion about necessity that I disagreed with him.

At any rate I don't want to derail this anymore with our opinions about the state of the rules writing as the consensus is already fairly clear if you have been here long enough to know so if you would like to continue this stimulating debate feel free to pm me.