I think i know the answer but anyway, want to make sure, if i play the Power Plant with emerald empress and i give her the Mento-Intensifier and her Emerald Eye of Ekron, what power can she use? can she use midn control free after an attack from the ring and if can then she is dealt unavoidable damage from Mind Control? Or since she already can use mind control from the ring she can use nothing from the eye?
Thanks for the help

Whichever is assigned first is the one she would use. If the Eye came attached to Empress then she would gain no benefit from the Ring. If a character is granted a power from another source that it can already use, then it cannot use the new power or any changes made to the power from the source.

This is why characters with Quake cannot activate the free action quake from the Book of Skulls.

I know that but i'm asking because of how the Hammers work, if you character already have charge he can use the other effects like regeneration from Angrir's Hammer, so if i give Emerald empress the ring and then pick up the eye she can use all effects but the mind control right? and for the wording the "isn't dealt unavoidable damage from Mind Control" part isn't atach to the mind control so how do this work?

Just a quick heads up, she can't use Mind Control as a free action regardless of what relic she's holding. She can only use HER speed powers, which means only the powers that appear in the speed slot on her dial. Mind Control shows up there eventually, but not until she takes some damage.

EDIT*** She can however use Running Shot as a free action and then activate Mind Control that way.

Already knew that, but still thanks, any opinions on the thread?

If you are trying to use MC for free via her trait:
you can't, as Ringer said. Speed powers are only the powers showing in her speed slot.

If you're just curious how these two powers would interact for any character that has a mento-intensifier and emerald eye of ekron assigned, that's something else.

The rules prohibit you from gaining the use of a game effect you can already use. Modified versions of a game effect still count as that game effect. It has been ruled multiple times the order in which game effects provide these effects is irrelevant, the relevant part is the "priority" of game effects providing usage. The character itself has the highest priority. Everything else ties for second-highest priority (I still wish the priority rankings on this were more tiered). So the eye and ring have same priority regardless of which comes first. At any moment, you just choose which one you'd rather use. When using mento-intensifier, you will still take feedback damage.

Ooo so i can choose what source i use, nice, and what if i choose to use the mind control from the ring, the character can still use the improved targeting from the eye or those are separate effects?

Some of this is ringing a bell. Would you happen to have any links to discussions involving a characters "priority". (Makes me wanna play some MtG lol)
I am inclined to agree with you up until the point where feedback damage is involved. I don't see why a character using the Mento-Intensifier's Mind Control couldn't also use the Eye's Improved targeting when it's necessary and by extent the protection from feedback damage.

I'm not convinced Anthony_B is right about the IT, as the power is worded as a list of different powers that it grants. Despite the poor sentence construction, the no damage from MC is definitely tied to the MC granted by the Eye. If you're not using the Eye as your source for MC, you definitely shouldn't get that benefit. Incap and IT can both exist on their own, but "no feedback damage from MC" is useless without being tied to MC.

Like I just said in the other thread. Eye does not say "from THIS use of Mind Control". No feedback from MC is no feedback from MC. If it was tied to that use of MC from the Eye, it should say so clearly.

I'll work on finding the thread. I know it's old, so I have to use google over hcrealms search. I'm trying to remember what character this came up for and why. I'm thinking WatX Wolverine? I'll see what I can find and report back when I do. Maybe it was further back with Poison Ivy and the Utility Belt? Or was it even older?

I'm reading through my post and I can't find where I said no IT. Maybe I'm missing it. I was just saying you can't use both "can use Mind Control" effects at the same time. The other parts of each game effect should still work just fine. I believe you should be able to attack and then use Mento free action MC with IT.

Other thread? What are we talking about? Would you kindly, link to that thread please?

I think the other posters are correct on this. The no unavoidable damage is tied to the use of mind control that the eye grants you. There have been several example of characters that have fancy quake effects that don't get to use them when they use a hammer quake. Just because it doesn't say "this" in the sentence doesn't mean anything.

Morg has a SP that reads:

AXE SWIPE: Morg can use Quake. When he uses Quake and hits instead of replacing his damage value, roll a d6 and subtract 2, minimum 2. Each hit character is dealt damage equal to the result.

Piledriver has a SP that reads

FIST SLAM: Piledriver can use Quake. When he does, if he's holding an object, his damage becomes 3 and is locked instead of 2 and then remove that object from the game.

None of them include "This" quake, but none of them can be used with hammer bombs.

But they can't use those special with the hammer bombs because they can't even use quake from the hammers, but what it the power do not have the "Morg can use Quake" then when you drop a hammer they could use the pecial with the hammer bomb isn't? in the case of Piledriver is not the same, but what if the power read like this "FIST SLAM: When Piledriver use quake, if he's holding an object, his damage becomes 3 and is locked instead of 2 and then remove that object from the game." then you could use that with the hammer bombs?
Plus why list the "isn't dealt unavoidable damage from Mind Control" part after all the other effects granted by the Eye why not just put "can use mind control and isn't deal unavoidable damage" there is obviously attach to that use of mind control.

If the effect read "This character can use Mind Control and isn't dealt unavoidable damage from Mind Control" would that make it clearer? Because that is how the relic reads once you remove all the other powers. When a power appears in a list shouldn't make any difference.

If you have 2 relics that say
"This character can use Mind Control and isn't dealt unavoidable damage from Mind Control"
"This character can use Mind Control as a free action"

Does that mean you can combine them and use Mind Control as a free action and not be dealt unavoidable damage? I for one am not sure if you can, I think you need to choose one or the other (although I must admit to not being that sure about it).

I believe with that specific wording no, but if the relics say something like this

"When this character use Mind Control isn't dealt unavoidable damage"
And
"This character can use Mind Control as a free action"

Then they both can be use right? But im might be wrong, to be honest an oragne reply would be nice, or a link to a similar scenario with a ruling on it