Ok, Kaiju have a team ability that does the same as Mystic. Now if they are a corp member, and gain mystics TA, what happens? does their normal TA got off for 1 dmg them mystics TA activates for a 2nd? A lot of older players say no b/c of an old ruling dealing w/ TA's and feats, but it's not the same thing.

No. It is subject to the following from the Player's Guide Section 01 page 4:

You cannot use the same effect twice. The character that hits the Kaiju will only receive one unavoidable damage.

But why? It's not like the Kaiju team ability says "This character can use mystics." No. It says when you get attacked, the attacker is dealt 1 unavoidable. Now you have 2 effects that say attackers take 1 unavoidable, but those are 2 different effects saying to take 1 unavoidable, so how come you're only allowed 1?

Because regardless of the name, they are both the same type of effect in a TA, so you can't double them up.

Yep, it works that way for every TA... except X-Men and Titans... or Defenders and JSA... But yeah, all the rest can't double up. Why? Because WK says so! :-s

How exactly would those team abilities double up?

Even if you managed to have a character with both X-Men and Titans, they could only be given a single power action to heal an adjacent character by 1 click.

With Defenders and JSA, you'd still share the Defense once. You can't have two Defense values.

Because he says so?

Take your logic elsewhere! There's complaining to do!

I recall back a long time ago when it was possible for Thor/Loki (who already had Mystics TA) to Thunderbolt to Arachnos, which caused both TAs to activate when the duo was attacked and damaged.

That was a long time ago, but even though the two team abilities have the same text, they still appear to be "different" effects. The Kaiju TA is a clone of Mystics (like Arachnos) and would work the same.

I'm not on any side, just presenting that information.

If you want to increase your damage from Mystics just take the rare Mercy from the Deadpool set.

Shes also Thunderbolts, so take their ATA and turn them all into mystics.

This was also discussed back in HoT with the Thor/Loki duo figure. They had the Avengers and Mystics Team Ability. This was back when the Thuderbolts ATA was a Feat card that only required the Avengers Team Ability on the dial and you could pick any other Team ability (Did not have to just be another Marvel team ability).

People were picking Crossgen/Arachnos and then trying to get double "Mystics" type damage.


As for Mercy, if you want to add something to it, try the Damage Shield feat card

It was more argued/discussed when the Phoenix Force (specifically the Namor Fragment) came out and I believe it was ruled that either the Defenders TA couldn't be used by a JSA member or that a JSA figure with Namor Fragment couldn't copy the DV from an adjacent JSA member and share it with an adjacent Defender... I don't remember which one it was, but the effect was that JSA couldn't daisy-chain to a Defender by using the Fragment.
As to the X-Men/Titans, that argument came up as an example of why it shouldn't work to share during that conversation... but if it could, the same figure could be healed by both an X-Men and Titan.

Isn't that when/why they added that line?

"Game effects which grant the use or possession of another game
effect have no effect if the recipient can already use the new effect."

So a character who gains a +1 to his Damage Value from one character's Perplex cannot gain the game effect of another character giving him a +1 Damage Value from a second Perplex? Why does a game effect from Perplex stack? ...or a +1 Def from adjacency to Mon-El stack with a +2 Def from ES/D? ...or any of a number of game effects which are the same... but we ARE allowed to stack?

Not trying to be a jerk, just legitimately wondering why identical effects in one case are allowed to be benefited from, but these particular (IMO distinct) effects are too similar?

The target of Perplex doesn't use Perplex--it's the reason why Perplex can still affect a character targeted by Pulse Wave, as long as the character with Perplex isn't a target as well.

What that rule means is that a character with Perplex cannot also use Perplex from a second source as well.

Just as you can't put the Magik PF fragment on a character with the Mystics TA and give them double Mystics TA.

Energy Shield/Deflection is not Perplex, so there's nothing preventing a character with ES/D from using Perplex on their own defense value.

The most common situation where you run into this rule is if a character with probability control on its dial is part of a named themed team. The character cannot use the TTPC as long as their own Probability Control is showing (and isn't Outwitted) because of this very rule.

And the line that the game draws on what is and isn't 'the same effect' is the wording of the effect. If the wording is or virtually identical, it's the same effect. So Mystics/Arachnos/Crossgen are all the same effect. If you could manage to copy the SHIELD TA to a character with the UNSC TA, they would probably be ruled to be the same effect, since the only difference is that UNSC can't be copied.