The Winter soldier's trait reads:
So who would have to be adjacent to what? Does the opponent have to be adjacent to these markers or do the markers need to be adjacent to the opponent?

Giant reach reads:

Shuma Gorath reads:

So how would these abilities apply with Winter Soldiers trait?

I don't think there will be an interaction. The Giant reach ability and Shuma's power both specify that they apply when an attack is made and the part of Sniper's nest that you are asking about does not seem to involve an attack so I don't see where they will cross paths.

This is correct. In order to be considered adjacent, you must be in the next square. Giant reach only give you the ability to attack as if you were adjacent to a figure 2 squares away.

Hmm I asked this same question while back and got a different answer. Has something changed or was it ruled erroneously?

http://www.dicerealms.com/forum/showthread.php?t=503555

Thats strange. But as you guys were saying, you said there would be no interaction between the two? Because the ruling for the Snipers Nest says that they need a clear line of fire, and both abilities require a clear line of fire, but they require a clear line of fire to the square, not the character. So would Shuma be able to attack the Winter Solder?

Idk. I hate to disagree with Normalview but I do not read it that way. You can see my reasoning but I have read things wrong so many times...

I have had the question submitted to WES.

Altho they don't elaborate, here is the answer.

http://www.wizkidseventsystem.com/bb...php?f=3&t=1409

Ok. Thats how we ruled it.

I don't think we were talking about lof. The glaring disqualifier here is that these extended reaches only apply during an attack and the Nest power activates when an opposing becomes adjacent which would happen during movement. Even in a move and attack they don't happen at exactly the same time.

I just want to know if I can attack winter soldier. None of the things that you guys have been explaining if I could attack or not. I don't get what it means you just explain whether or not line of fire comes in to play and adjacency.

In our answers, lets just put a "Yes" or a "No" after our explanation, because I'm having trouble understanding.

he can attack him per the ruling in the WES

If that is what you wanted to know, then that is what you should have asked. Read your op and then see that you got exactly what you asked for. Nowhere before now did you ask about anyone's ability to attack.


A character 2 squares away won't activate SN. That has nothing to do with anyone's ability to attack anyone else. These are 2 separate issues.

You forgot the yes or no. Kidding with you of course.

As for the attack part of the discussion, Giant Reach draws LoF to squares not characters.

Yep, just like Shuma @ 5-Range; Giant Reach and long tentacles are both excellent Stealth Busters !! That's why it is nice for characters with Stealth to also have Combat Reflexes....

Dang you guys, still no "yes or no"?