Im just full of questions today.

If i want to tk someone in and out of soaring, is my range halved? seems like it would be no, because tk is a close combat action, but someone i played balked when i had quasar tk thor out of soaring more than 5 spaces.

I am 99% positive that you can't change soaring/hovering modes via TK. I think this came up in a thread about OAW Supes.

The only way to move to/from soaring is by moving that figure. In other words, you cannot TK to/from soaring.

Hope this helps...

now thats a good one.....im assuming they are both soaring and both adjacent.....because you cant even consider it if they arent.....

i think we need someone, a mod or one of the better judges like funky jett to answer this one....im scratchin my head (and thinking i might try this tactic.....soon)

I see nothign in the faq to say you cant. If both figs are soaring, why cant you? going from soaring to hovering and vice versa doesnt require a move action anymore than being carried up stairs by someone else does. If you can carry a fig in and out of soaring, why cant you tk them?

Actually, HeroComplex chimed in on this a while back. I can look for the thread if you want me too.

The basic premise is that the only place in the rule book that mentions moving to/from soaring, says that you must spend 1 speed point to change elevation to/from soaring, hence, it must be a move action.

Give me a few and I'll see if i can find the thread....

The faq says that one soaring guy can tk another soaring guy, but it doesnt say anything about making him hovering.

NOw, heres my interpretation, soaring can only affect soaring. So once the fig is tk'd to hovering, the tk action must end. But nothing in the rules, or faq say you cant tk from soaring to hovering. Can anyone clarify for me?

This is taken straight from the rule book.

Flying characters have two flight modes: hovering and soaring.
A flying character can change flight modes when moving. Changing flight modes adds 1 square to the movement cost. Count this cost when you move the flight indicator.


It says adds 1 square to the movement cost. therefore, when tk'ing the target, if you want to go from soaring to hovering, you can only move 9 actual squares, then an elevation change. right? anyone feeling me?

As has been said, you can't move a soaring character to hovering while you are TKing them (or vice versa). The character itself can change elevation when moving, not when some other figure is forcing them to be moved.

here you go. canadamaestro is one of the better judges....if he says it...you can bet thats the way it is.

well......I can't find that darned thread, so maybe HC can pop in a repeat everything he said since I obviously don't know anything....

Well, my appreciation for the responses. I hear the ruling and accept, but not meaning to be an ### or anything, I'd really like someone to point out something specifically in the rules or in the pac or the faq that confirms what the judges are saying, because i cant find it. Thanks in advance.

You won't find a quote that says "You can't move a character from hovering to soaring (or vice versa) while TKing that person" as it is not in the rules. But then again, there are a lot of things you can't do that aren't explicitly said in the rules.

The only times a character can change are outlined, when they are moving (and only they can willingly do it costing one of their movement points) or when their ability to soar is outwitted (they go down to hovering for that turn and then back up). As well, TK only says the character can be moved up to 10 squares, not that the other rules of movement (like being able to change flight levels) apply.

I brought this up on the judges' forum for a FAQ entry but either it was deemed not worthy or people got sidetracked on other issues.

Actually, the answer is in your very own post:

Also, if you look up TK in the rule book, it mentions using part of the range for TK to move object/figures to elevated terrain, effectively reducing the range to 9.

So, it specifically mentions TKing to/from elevated terrain, but not soaring. Nowhere does it talk about TKing to/from soaring, so there is nothing to quote.

Now, if you are using the arguement that "It doesn't say I can't, therefore I can." reasoning, yer off base.....

apparently CM....we need the 'judge' in our title to know anything........