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I was at a tournament last friday and a question of priority came up, we solved it and I just want a little bit more to prove my point.
Player 1: Metamorphasis a level 1 monster
Player 1: Special Summon Thousand eyes restrict
This is where the priority comes in
Player 2: Activates ring of destruction the moment Player 1 summons TER.
Player 1: Says that he didnt have a chance to suck up opponents monster and his intention was to suck up monster.
The reason it comes up is because when TER is summoned then destroyed the equipped monster is also destroyed.
We deduced that TER would suck up the monster first because player 1 had not given up his priority yet. This is the same for CED correct?
Since the opponent would be attempting to start a chain with his Ring of Destruction, the turn player has priority to activate TER's effect, a Spell Speed 1 effect, before Ring can be played.
Also, I would warn Player 2 not to jump the gun anymore. The proper way to do this should have been:
Player 1: Activates Metamorphosis
Player 1: Special Summons TER
Player 2: Now should ask "Do you wish to use your priority to activate TER's effect?"
Player 1: forced to make a decision - chooses to activate the effect OR to not activate it
Player 2: THEN can activate Ring of Destruction either in chain to TER's effect OR starting a new chain if player 1 passes priority by declining to use an effect.
Just to make it clear, "Ring of Destruction" would destroy "Thousand Eyes Restrict" before its effect resolves if "Ring of Destruction" is used after the owner of "Thousand Eyes Restrict" declares priority.
This is copied from Jypsy's guide for priority up above in this section.
Main Phase :
Player 1 has priorty, may summon, set, set magic/trap Activate Magic/Trap, use Spell Speed 1 effects, Tribute monsters, etc.
If Player 1 Passes priorty,
Player 2 Has priority, may activate Quickplays, traps and counter traps.
I changed the names for the players so it is easier to read.
This is part of the question of not just priority....but the right to respond to resolution of a chain. Now.....this is still unconfirmed...but the way many judges in the know....and privy to some information that others aren't thus far is....
Player 1 Activates Meta on L1 Monster and brings out TER. (Chain resolves without response)
At THIS point turn player has the right to respond to the end of the chain with a spell speed 2 effect or higher....if he doesn't non turn player assumes the right to respond to the end of the chain with a spell speed 2 effect or higher. (here is where player 2 can use his Ring) If neither player chooses or can respond to the end of the resolved chain then turn player resumes priority to activate his spell speed 1 effect.
I know, this seems to add a whole new twist (responding to the end of a resolved chain) but if you dig into the rulings threads here and on other forums you'll find L2-L3 judges discussing it.
Let me give you an example of this pulled from the old judge’s site. Notice that the chain has resolved in the following example and one would assume that turn player assumes priority again…..not so, at least not immediately……
No.
Kevin Tewart
Game Developer
UDE Yu-Gi-Oh! TCG R&D Lead
Upper Deck Entertainment
Why is this? The last chain has resolved and the player who activated Snatch
Steal is clearly the Turn Player. Wouldn't he/she have the ability to do
something (like Tribute for a Tribute Summon) before the opponent gets to
perform his/her own action?
--Jeremy Treanor
Level 3 Judge
-----Original Message-----
From: Ray Chow [mailto:doodagemcownage@a...]
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 1:42 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [UDE YGO Judge's List] Question about timing, priority, or
etiquette, whichever it is.
No.
Kevin Tewart
Game Developer
UDE Yu-Gi-Oh! TCG R&D Lead
Upper Deck Entertainment
> I play Snatch Steal on my opponent's Shining Angel.
> My opponent chains Magic Drain.
> I discard Book of Moon
> Snatch resolves, I take control of Shining Angel.
>
> Now, do I get a chance to tribute off the monster before he can start
> a new chain with a set Mystical Space typhoon to destroy the snatch?
This is part of the question of not just priority....but the right to respond to resolution of a chain. Now.....this is still unconfirmed...but the way many judges in the know....and privy to some information that others aren't thus far is....
Player 1 Activates Meta on L1 Monster and brings out TER. (Chain resolves without response)
At THIS point turn player has the right to respond to the end of the chain with a spell speed 2 effect or higher....if he doesn't non turn player assumes the right to respond to the end of the chain with a spell speed 2 effect or higher. (here is where player 2 can use his Ring) If neither player chooses or can respond to the end of the resolved chain then turn player resumes priority to activate his spell speed 1 effect.
I know, this seems to add a whole new twist (responding to the end of a resolved chain) but if you dig into the rulings threads here and on other forums you'll find L2-L3 judges discussing it.
Let me give you an example of this pulled from the old judge’s site. Notice that the chain has resolved in the following example and one would assume that turn player assumes priority again…..not so, at least not immediately……
No.
Kevin Tewart
Game Developer
UDE Yu-Gi-Oh! TCG R&D Lead
Upper Deck Entertainment
Why is this? The last chain has resolved and the player who activated Snatch
Steal is clearly the Turn Player. Wouldn't he/she have the ability to do
something (like Tribute for a Tribute Summon) before the opponent gets to
perform his/her own action?
--Jeremy Treanor
Level 3 Judge
-----Original Message-----
From: Ray Chow [mailto:doodagemcownage@a...]
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 1:42 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [UDE YGO Judge's List] Question about timing, priority, or
etiquette, whichever it is.
No.
Kevin Tewart
Game Developer
UDE Yu-Gi-Oh! TCG R&D Lead
Upper Deck Entertainment
> I play Snatch Steal on my opponent's Shining Angel.
> My opponent chains Magic Drain.
> I discard Book of Moon
> Snatch resolves, I take control of Shining Angel.
>
> Now, do I get a chance to tribute off the monster before he can start
> a new chain with a set Mystical Space typhoon to destroy the snatch?
Actually, in this case Kevin has it right on the money. This particular question in this thread however would still allow for TER's effect ot be activated in response.
This is exactly what i was trying to get across John on in the thread on netrep.
What D proposed in that question was a Tribute Summon, which is not possible because of a Response Chain (response timing) at that point. Summons and Spell Speed 1 effects can only be performed in the Main Phase when nothing is outstanding. That means that when a chain resolves, you have a response timing to the last event to occur in that chain. Only Spell Speed 2 or higher effect can be used, but the Turn Player can respond first. Both players must resolve that response before a "slower" action can be preformed.
However with that said, the case of TER is different because it is a special summon that occured. The turn player could absolutely use the effect of TER prior to the opponent responding. In the case of a summon (any), you still can utilize the Spell Speed 1 of the monster summoned.
Well, this is something I've never been clear on. Does TP have priority to activate TER's effector not? People have contradicted each other about it. Can someone just flat out say wether or not he does? Let's say:
-TP activates Metamorphosis on a Goat token to summon TER
-TER is summoned
-Opponent Rings TER in response to its summon
In the third step, would TER have the opportunity to suck up a monster before getting destroyed, taking the opponent's monster with it? Or would it die prematurely, leaving the opponent's monster unharmed?
The turn player would be able to activate the effect of TER but because it needs to be on the field at resolution in order to actually suck up the monster, Ring of Destruction would have destroyed it in that chain and it won't happen. So TER's effect resolves without effect.