Hi, I´m simply messed up. These people that plays around my area are messing up many yugioh players with these "new" stupid rules!

Example: Bottomless Trap whole. They say that you can remove a monster with 1500atk or above when he´s special, normal or reversed summon.

But they now ALSO claim: You cannot do bottomless traphole to INVOKE SUMMON monsters (Zaborg, Moebius, Vampira Lord)

What tha fr@k is wrong with these people, bottomless trap whole SHOULD remove these as well!-

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Next example_: They claim that when using scapegoats and monster gate, they can NORMAL SUMMON a monster with 5 or more stars and treat is as a special summon. Example: scapegoats on field, monstergate, pick up cards, catapult turtle comes in just like that or a Summon Skull.

The card CLEARLY specifies: pick up cards until you pick a NORMAL SUMMON monster and treat is as a SPECIAL SUMMON.

I believe monster gate is to transmute weak monsters or normal monster into 4 level star monster with better effects (example: newdoria, exiled force, etc..)

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Nex cheap stuff that gets me confused:

What is exactly viser death good for? It states I have to wait until my third stand by phase so the monster will destroy itself, but what about the opponent monster does it remain alive?

I´ve always played this as a flip effect (almost) so when visder gets hit, it reveals itself, then LOCK an opponent moster. after the 3rd standby we both blow off.

So that´s a simple question: what happens to my opponent monster after my 3rd standby phase??

I hope not to mean to be rude. Thanks for the help.

1. Bottomless Trap Hole DOES destroy and remove things like Vampire Lord, Zaborg and Mobius and such, HOWEVER, in the case of Zaborg and Mobius and other cards that say "When this card is successfully Normal summoned (or Tribute or special summoned, etc)..." they will STILL get their effects because they were still successfully summoned. The only way for them NOT to be successfully summoned is for the summon itself to be negated with cards like Horn of Heaven and Solemn Judgment. For special summons, they can also use Royal Oppression.

2. No, Monster Gate is NOT restricted to just 4 stars or lower. If a monster DOES NOT have a special summon summon requirement, it CAN be summoned with Monster Gate, so even if a monster is 5+ stars, if it doesn't have a requirement saying "This card can only be special summoned by...." or "This card cannot be special summoned except...." and so on, it CAN be Special Summoned through the effect of monster Gate.

3. Viser Death belongs in the japanese section of the site, but I'll answer anyways....

Translation::

Iron Demon - Viser Death
Dark/Demon - Level 4 - 500/1200
Effect: When this Monster is Normal Summoned, choose one of your opponent’s Monsters. During your third Standby Phase after activating this Effect, the chosen Monster is Destroyed. Until this card’s Effect ends, this Monster can not be Destroyed in Battle. Damage is done as normal.

The card must be NORMAL SUMMONED in order to use its effect. If it is Flip Summoned, Special Summoned or set f/d and then flipped through an attack, it will NOT activate. Viser Death destroys the opponent's monster at the 2nd of the 3rd standby phase AFTER the effect is activated so it's basically 3 turns. When the 3rd standby phase occurs, the monster will be destroyed, but until then, the monster will REMAIN alive and until then, Viser Death cannot be destroyed as a result of battle. The effect WILL end early if the opponent tributes the chosen monster OR if it's destroyed or removed from the field somehow since it's no longer on the field, Viser Death lost its target. You DO NOT "shift" the effect to the Tributed monster if they tribute the monster for a tribute summon though.


All of these rulings are NOT new and were ALWAYS used this way. Your opponent's were wrong in thinking Bottomless Trap Hole won't work on stuff like Vampire Lord, Zaborg and Mobius, but they were right if they said they still get their effects. Monster Gate's ruling was ALWAYS how I stated it is and HAS NOT changed and the same goes with Viser Death in japanese.

you seem to be contradicting yourself a bit. you say that bottomless trap hole should be able to hit tribute monsters, but you say that monster gate should not. but anyways, heres an important thing you should know.

Tribute Summon = Normal Summon

bottomless can of course remove tribute monsters, and monster gate can summon lv 5 or higher monsters.

as for #3, since when has that card even been released?

Ok! thank you really! that clears my mind a lot!

Cheers to yugioh realms!!