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c?

Reading the rest of the things on here, this may seem like the question of a simpleton, but I assure you, I'm not.

To have a clear shot a figure "b", in what square does figure "c" need to be standing? Must it be on the complete diagonal from "b", making it the bottom right corner or can it move left a little. (if it can, how many squares?) If "c" is 12 squares away on the diagonal, could "c" move left one or more squares because the crossover would be so small?

I've been a party to a number of debates with people on this issue and just thought I'd pose the question here. (for the record, I say the direct diagonal)

I believe you could move left, as long as a straight line from c to b does not cross a's square

I've been wondering the same thing! Technically speaking, you cross a's square with LOS if you are any more to the left than a direct diagonal.

I've always played in a fashion where if it's not a sure thing, ask another player (who's not involved). Lately, we've all been assuming a direct diagonal minimum based off the rule that says "if LOS crosses a square occupied by another figure, it's blocked".

Even if it seems weird.

The Unknown Ronin
"If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten!"

if 'c' is any of these squares it can attack 'b'

Thank you much sniksder. I thought I was right.

Yup, anything below the diagonal will cross a's square

I would tend to disagree that C would have to be on the direct diagonal. I'm not sure exactly how many squares C would need to be back, but I'd say if C is about 8 squares or more back, then you can draw LOF to B, even if he's not on the direct Diagonal:

lblclclclclc|c|
lalclclclclc|c|
l_l_lclclclc|c|
l_l_l_lclclc|c|
l_l_l_l_lclc|c|
|_|_|_|_|c|c|
|_|_|_|_|c|_| <------could possibly draw LOF from here.

In our group we just break-out a piece of string and eyeball it. If it passes through A's square at all, then it's not allowed, but in this case, it might be possible for C to not be on the direct diagonal. I'd like an official clarification on this however, b/c I'm not exactly sure what the right answer is....

Here's an example:

|A|_|
|_|Z|
|_|_|
|_|B|

Above is an example where mathematically the tangent between A and B is ON the corner where Z meets 3 blank squares. If the tangent crosses the center-line where 4 squares meet and someone is standing in one of those 4 squares does that mean the center-line blocks LOF? In our group, we say no. This is a legal shot. The figure is occupying the blank area of the square, not the black lines that seperate the squares. Whether or not this is correct I do not know, but it makes sense to me.

Ando1---

The geometry of the grid is such that no matter how far away c is from b, he will still have to be on or above the diagonal in order to establish an LoF to b that does not cross a's square.

Ando2---

Your group is correct. The lines delineating squares stop exactly at the edges, and a line that passes through just that exact corner is not considered to have crossed the square itself. A can see B despite Z.

This is should help me out a great deal, thanks to those involved.