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I'm thinking about trying this deck out though I'm missing Red Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon and Blizzard Dragon right now. I'd also like a few copies of Trident Dragon. With the line up I have I can pull off plays like Special Summon Totem Dragon, Normal Summon Debris Dragon to grab another Totem Dragon and Synch for any Level 8 Dragon.
For anyone else that's played Hopeless Dragon before I'd love to hear thoughts on Red Eyes Wyvern before I decide to try and buy or trade for a few copies.
Monsters
3 Red Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon
3 Blue-Eyes White Dragon
3 The White Stone of Legend
3 Red Eyes Wyvern
3 Koa'ki Meiru Drago
2 Totem Dragon
2 Debris Dragon
1 Hardened Armed Dragon
Spells
3 Cards of Consonance
2 Trade In
2 Book of Moon
1 Mystical Space Typhoon
1 Future Fusion
1 Brain Control
1 Heavy Storm
1 My Body As A Shield
Traps
2 Phoenix Wing Wind Blast
2 Bottomless Trap Hole
1 Call of the Haunted
1 Solemn Judgment
1 Torrential Tribute
1 Mirror Force
Extra Deck
1 Trident Dragon
2 Stardust Dragon
1 Red Dragon Archfiend
1 Goyo Guardian
2 Iron Chain Dragon
1 Magical Android
1 Light End Dragon
1 Armory Arm
1 Black Rose Dragon
1 Thought Ruler Archfiend
1 Exploder Dragonwing
2 Five Headed Dragon
Side Deck
1 Gorz the Emissary of Darkness
2 Trap Eater
1 Infernal Dragon
3 Threatening Roar
2 Deck Devastation Virus
2 Mind Crush
2 Light-Imprisoning Mirror
2 Magic Drain
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Cards of Consonance
Normal Spell
Discard 1 Dragon-Type Tuner monster with 1000 or less ATK to draw 2 cards.
Not yet, I just started thinking about all the different things that I could do with it last night.
There are a few things I'm not sold on yet. Future Fusion seems great in theory, but really only helps out in the early game so I can load my Graveyard with Totem Dragons. From there I'd probably choose to some combination of Blizzard Dragon, Van'Dalgyon the Dark Dragon Lord, Strong Wind Dragon, and Magna Drago for the Five Headed Dragon I selected with Future Fusion.
Obviously Dragon's Mirror highly relies on Future Fusion, so if Future Fusion doesn't work out then Dragon's Mirror is likely to get the boot as well. I'm worried about it being another dead card in the early game.
Monster Reincarnation is a hold over from when I was planning to run multiple copies of Light and Darkness Dragon in this deck. With the ease that Lightsworn can get rid of Light and Darkness Dragon I don't think it's worth centering the deck around. I'm wondering if D.D.R. - Different Dimension Reincarnation would be better in place of Burial From the Different Dimension and even Monster Reincarnation.
Red Eyes Wyvern seems a little slow for my liking, though I do like the fact that it's a decent body to throw onto the field.
The other thing I'm thinking about is adding two copies of Gold Sarcophagus to this deck to try and smooth out the draws and dig for key cards more reliably. They could also instantly load my remove from play pile if I did decide to run Different Dimension Reincarnation.
Edit: I decided to remove some of the conflicting cards (Dragon's Mirror) and add in Gold Sarcophagus. I'm still on the fence about whether or not I should try out a single copy of D.D.R. in here or not.
Did some YVD testing with this deck last night. Everything went a lot better than I expected it would. Koa'ki Meiru Drago is really a lot better than I was expecting it to be. With the use of Gravekeeper's Spy on the rise Koa'ki Meiru Drago is a great answer. It also keeps a large amount of Blackwings at bay or forces your opponent to use Gale quickly. I like the idea of Summoning Red Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon and then using it to Special Summon Koa'ki Meiru Drago. Obviously the reveal cost isn't a problem in this deck.
There are a couple of debates that I'm having about this deck right now that I'm looking for opinions on:
Strong Wind Dragon vs Prime Material Dragon: I want a Level 6 Dragon in here so I have the chance to Synch it with Magna Drago for a Level 8 Synchro. Strong Wind seems interesting because it can easily see it's attack rise over 3000. On the other hand Prime Material Dragon can negate Bottomless Trap Hole, Torrential Tribute, and Mirror Force. I might just side deck Prime Material Dragon and bring it in for certain match ups. There's the other bonus that Prime Material Dragon shuts down Dark Strike Fighter's burn effect, though my opponent could easily attack over Prime Material Dragon with Dark Strike Fighter and then start launching monsters. I'm really torn on this one.
Light and Darkness Dragon: This card did win me a game or two, but I feel like it's a liability in the main deck because of how easily Lightsworn can deal with it. For the time being I've decided to Side Deck Light and Darkness Dragon. I really do enjoy being able to summon Light and Darkness Dragon with one tribute using Totem Dragon.
Twin-Headed Behemoth: This is something that I decided to try out last night. Twin-Headed Behemoth gives me more material to Special Summon Red Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon and a Level 3 monster to Synch with Debris Dragon if I want to dump Black Rose Dragon onto the field. I'm not sold on this idea yet but I think it's worth a try.
Did some YVD testing with this deck last night. Everything went a lot better than I expected it would. Koa'ki Meiru Drago is really a lot better than I was expecting it to be. With the use of Gravekeeper's Spy on the rise Koa'ki Meiru Drago is a great answer. It also keeps a large amount of Blackwings at bay or forces your opponent to use Gale quickly. I like the idea of Summoning Red Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon and then using it to Special Summon Koa'ki Meiru Drago. Obviously the reveal cost isn't a problem in this deck.
Don't forget that it also blocks Gorz. And being Gorz'd when you're going for game is >.<
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There are a couple of debates that I'm having about this deck right now that I'm looking for opinions on:
Strong Wind Dragon vs Prime Material Dragon: I want a Level 6 Dragon in here so I have the chance to Synch it with Magna Drago for a Level 8 Synchro. Strong Wind seems interesting because it can easily see it's attack rise over 3000. On the other hand Prime Material Dragon can negate Bottomless Trap Hole, Torrential Tribute, and Mirror Force. I might just side deck Prime Material Dragon and bring it in for certain match ups. There's the other bonus that Prime Material Dragon shuts down Dark Strike Fighter's burn effect, though my opponent could easily attack over Prime Material Dragon with Dark Strike Fighter and then start launching monsters. I'm really torn on this one.
You'll not have a tuner all the time. Strong Wind can be big, but PMD can protect your monsters from destruction effects.
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Light and Darkness Dragon: This card did win me a game or two, but I feel like it's a liability in the main deck because of how easily Lightsworn can deal with it. For the time being I've decided to Side Deck Light and Darkness Dragon. I really do enjoy being able to summon Light and Darkness Dragon with one tribute using Totem Dragon.
LaDD is good, the only problem is that, if you have 3-4 cards on the field and your opponent get rid of it, your field is now clear.
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Twin-Headed Behemoth: This is something that I decided to try out last night. Twin-Headed Behemoth gives me more material to Special Summon Red Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon and a Level 3 monster to Synch with Debris Dragon if I want to dump Black Rose Dragon onto the field. I'm not sold on this idea yet but I think it's worth a try.
It'll get removed from play if you use it to SS REDMD, so I don't think that's really a good idea.
Don't forget that it also blocks Gorz. And being Gorz'd when you're going for game is >.<
Agreed this is another bonus that I hadn't thought about yet. The more I think about it the more I like the Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon into Koa'ki Meiru Drago play. I haven't run into it much in testing yet. I think I may be a little to cautious bringing out REDMD sometimes but it's served me pretty well so far.
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You'll not have a tuner all the time. Strong Wind can be big, but PMD can protect your monsters from destruction effects.
I decided to go with Prime Material Dragon for the protection effect but even more so for the anti-burn effect to counter the rampant use of Dark Strike Fighter. It's crazy how anti-meta this deck is getting and Prime Material Dragon only boosts that aspect of the deck.
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LaDD is good, the only problem is that, if you have 3-4 cards on the field and your opponent get rid of it, your field is now clear.
I ended up cutting Light and Darkness Dragon. It's aweful in the Lightsworn match up. I may side deck it but right now I don't have room there either.
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It'll get removed from play if you use it to SS REDMD, so I don't think that's really a good idea.
It will remove from play if I use it to SS REDMD, however if I've Special Summoned Twin-Headed Behemoth with it's own effect I can afford to remove it for REDMD. It's something I'm testing out right now to see how it goes because it might be better in theory than in practice. I haven't had a chance to test since I made this change.
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You should try DDR. At least 1.
I want to because I like the idea of ditching a Totem Dragon to get back something that was removed from play. I'm just not sure what to drop yet.
Is Burial from a Different Dimension being useful at all?
I actually haven't drawn into it yet in testing =) That would probably be a good place to start if I wanted to try out D.D.R. in this deck. I'll give it some thought. I'm still short 3 Red Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon, 3 Blizzard Dragon, and 1 Totem Dragon right now =/
I actually haven't drawn into it yet in testing =) That would probably be a good place to start if I wanted to try out D.D.R. in this deck. I'll give it some thought. I'm still short 3 Red Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon, 3 Blizzard Dragon, and 1 Totem Dragon right now =/
At times like that I really love living 150 miles away of RL yugioh.
Just a suggestion from what I have seen most around here:
+1 Dragon's Mirror
I started with Dragon's Mirror in the deck. The main problem I had with the card is that it's really only good on occasion. It works in the early game if I draw into Future Fusion, but late game it messes up my Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon targets since it's generally used for Five-Headed Dragon. I'm thinking about trying it in my Side Deck for specific match ups. It is a beast.