i was playing a game with calianthia on a bettle horse. she was bounding 18 and MCing. i used mc to bring a pegasus right into kierens point black before it got to do its evil 12" charge. also later in the game he ran his pegasus back to his healer but MC undid that action :)

i used to think, like im sure the average player does, that MC blows. i just felt i had to post this because discovering a use for magic confusion is just the ####dest thing

It's an interesting and underused SA. However, in my experience I would much rather wack an opposing warrior for damage versus confusing him. I think it comes down to personal play choices.

Steve

That's the joy of Calianthia, you don't have to worry about 'whacking the opponent' because you can't. It's MC or nothing. With that being said, I've been a big fan of Calianthia since the first minute I looked at her stats. She can ride one of the cheapest mounts and she's fairly cheap herself for what you get. Her MC can be used in so many different ways and in so many situations, you just can't go wrong.

Take for example Pike with Rage Hammer on an EF Dragon. Your opponent is fielding that combo while you are fielding Chroma and Calianthia. Well, Pike is going to get to Chroma before Chroma gets to her. Whoops, not anymore. MB with Calianthia and move that Dragon into range and poof, Pike is almost dead.

Got a decked out Chroma squatting on an objective with a crazy 22 defense? Just go ahead and MC her off and swarm the objective.

Yep, lots of uses in different situations...

I still think it sucks. In those examples, you could use another fig to bound and shoot Pike, or tie Pike up, and if Chroma with a 22 is sitting on an objective, Claiantha is goin to hit her???yeah, right....if Chroma has the 22 form a good combo such as Paragon's and Magestone Bracers, Caliantha needs a 12 to hit...you need auto-damage to deal with a pimped-out Chroma...that, or a good rider armed with either Giant's Wrath or Threadcutter or Hammer of the Realms

While I think it is still too situational, and thus sucks, it is much better now. Another idea MC a mount to make it trample its friend.

MC Chroma over blocking, then ground her with Silver Cloud. MC the middle centaur into the woods to slow them down and break up a formation. MC and force the figure to double-time to the far corner of oblivion. MC to give your ranged figure a sweet rear arc, point blank shot.

It's a great, under utilised ability and Caliantha can Mounted Bound into combat to do it. She is a bit expensive, IMHO, but she is still very useful.

If you want to give her some damage potential, give her the Scroll of Storms or Book of Nightmares.

Magic Confuse a soaring figure to ground level, then surge with your other figures.

can u use MC to double time a figure? does it deal a pushing click? that would be sweet

if you can hit with MC, you can hit with just a bounding shooter or Rava, for the same, or less point cost, I'd much rather have Rava or Kierin at his point level add in Silvercloud) than Caliantha, Claiantha is so nerfed my Magestone Bracers and :mi: , and personally I equip Bracers every game now, for 10 points, +1 Defense would be worth it, to also get Sepll Defense is awesome.

no amount of situational posting will convince me it's useful vs those same points spent on a different figure, it's simply not as efficient over a variety of situations. I will agree it's more useful than before, but I still hold that it sucks (before it really really sucked) :)

Actually she'd need an 11 to hit Chroma, but anyway, that was a bad example.

And if you're shooting Pike you need a 19 to hit. What's the average attack of most riders? 10 and 11. So you're going to need a better than average roll to hit Pike. Instead, Calianthia needs a 5 to hit the Dragon and move it wherever you want. Not to mention the fact that if you hit Pike, you're going to do 1 or 2 damage to her, max (except for the Mage Blast riders). So you say 'use another fig to bound and shoot Pike' and make it sound real easy, but in fact, it isn't. 'Tie Pike up' is another legitimate idea, but what are you going to do if Pike is soaring? Not a lot of ability to tie her up there. Yeah yeah, she's going to be soaring and she can't attack, blah blah, but if you have a soaring figure, it's gone. Fouts brings up a good point which I should have mentioned - grounding soarers. Everyone loves Disruptor, right? Well MC is Disruptor for a lot cheaper.

All you people that think MC sucks can keep going ahead and thinking that, but I'll laugh when someone owns up at Nats with Calianthia...

Edit: You're missing Origins, aren't you JG?

well more of what i was getting at in my initial post was that it was good in a casual type games because it is fun to undo someones move actions with a flick of a wand

i know there are better things than it in MOST situations, but i am just saying that it is not completely worthless

right, but why would I shoot Pike with a 19 Defense? give the Dragon a nice 4 clicks and it has only a 10" movement, not enough to even reach someone like Rava. anyway, your point is still valid, it's better than it was before - will you see it at Nats? maybe in the loser's bracket, hehehe.

PS - I want to be at nats so badly, but I'm having my first baby that weekend, so I thought maybe I should be home, hehehe. next year for sure, which is good, give my opposition more time to practice ;)

I do like Magic Confusion on one figure, the Galeshi Sorcerer. Its at the end of his dial, if he gets it late in the game he might be able to move enemies off objectives.

I've found the *** Wereraven to be a nice piece to have in a summon army for the shear fact that one can DT it into its good stats and have it able to MC units away from it if need be, and all for a nice 27 points. Though the ** Shadow Servent makes a nice piece with its 12 inch Magic Blast, 10 speed nimble, terrify, and after 2 clicks still terrify, but picks up MC, which makes for a nice package all for a nimable 56 points. Though ingeneral I don't think one should build an army around MC, unless it packs non-wand MC'ers since Magestone Bracers, :mi: and Spell resistance stop them kinda cold. As always MC is more of a support ability then offensive one and thus should be used as such and not take up more then a third of the build (IMO).

-saber

No, not enough to reach someone like Rava, but still enough to reach any cavalry unit, which is the point I'm making - Cav unit vs. Cav unit.

Right, the kiddo, I thought there was something. Well, congrats and good luck with the whole father bit, eh? ;) Guess I'll just have to show you up with a Magic Confusion army next year... oh well.