I just wanted to check to see if it was legal to bring in Hounds to the visible area by using one of these 2 cards?:

Underground Sentinel Base
Activate -> Reveal a face-down army Sentinel character card in your resource row and move it face up to your front row or support row. Use this power only during your recruit step.


Master Mold
Activate -> Put an army sentinel character card from your hand into your front or support row. Use this power only during your recruit step.

That won't work. The rule of concealed is:


707.9 "Concealed" is a keyword on characters that represents a continuous power that functions in any zone. The keyword "Concealed" means, "This character comes into play in the hidden area." (See rule 212.5e.)

No matter how it comes into play, it will do so into the hidden area.

Ok cool so at least I can get him into my hidden area then by those means.:cool:

It won't work for Mastermold, it does for USB:

701.19 "Concealed" is a characteristic and keyword that a character card may have in any zone. A character card with concealed that comes into play does so in its controller's hidden area rather than in that player's visible area. This applies to any means of getting the card into play from another zone, not just to resolving a recruit effect. It does not apply while moving a card already in play.

USB takes an object that is already in play and moves it. Since resources are always visible, if you used USB to "make" a Hounds, you could only move it to the front or support row of your visible area.

Mastermold is actually bringing a new object into play, so it would follow the "comes into play" portion of the concealed rule.

Just to get this straight then I can get Hounds into my visible area via USB but if I used Mastermind then Hounds must come into play in the hidden area?

Since, "Concealed" is a characteristic and keyword, Utility Belt can negative it and therefore this character goes in visible zone instead hidden zone?

~HoanG

A better question might be, why would you WANT to? Hounds have pitiful stats and will just get their asses kicked in the visible area. You're better off using them to snipe from the concealed area.

Correct. Mastermold takes a character card from another zone (your hand) and puts it into play which means a concealed character card would have to follow the part of the concealed character rule regarding it coming into play.

USB doesn't cause the character to come into play, it only moves the already in-play object to a different position which follows a different part of the concealed character rule.

What? That makes no sense. Utility Belt could negate both the USB and Mastermold effects, but it can't do anything about the concealed characteristic.

I hadn't considered that for USB, but, yeah, there it is. Learn something every day.

Raigekz---Utility Belt negates payment power effects; on a more general note, you can only ever negate effects on the chain. The closest you'll get to negating a keyword is if you negate the effect that Evasion places on the chain. Like Locke said, there's no such thing as negating Concealed, Loyalty, etc.

So many rules not mentioned everywhere.

Locke is correct about USB. That will make it visible.

Locke, why isn't rule 701.19 referenced in the glossary or the other rules I mentioned (rule 707.9 or rule 212.5)? I should have realized that USB doesn't put a card into play, but I thought those were the only three rules regarding concealed since no other rule was mentioned.

I think it's because it really has nothing to do with Concealed at all.

The text of USB only makes mention of "move" so only rules that apply to moving a character would apply.