Hey everyone; this is my first post here and I hope I'm doing this in the right place (didn't know if Rumor Mill would be better).

Basically I've been playing CCGs forever and I'm thinking about starting vs. It looks absolutely awesome. My main question is just this: Is it possible that there will ever be a Vertigo set?

I ask this because its my absolute favorite set of books and owned by DC and thus technically possible.

I've been looking around here for any rumors/talk about whether its possible or not and for the most part posts seem to be uncertain (as would be expected) but many of them have issues with the Universe because its not really "combat-based". Is that really a problem?

Thanks for reading and any answers!

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I wanted to start this thread myself after I discovered Shade, The Changing Man. I don't know how likely it is, but you can see by this website that Upper Deck listens intently to all our wishes. It is possible.

Stay tuned,

Stu

Vertigo and Wildstorm are both DC imprints, so it's completely feasible that UDE might be able to tap those for future DC sets? I suspect it's really only a matter of time. I don't know a ton about the Vertigo lie, but a team based from a combat-light comic series would likely end up being a more tech-heavy team, filled with payment powers and other sorts of things.

The real problem with Vertigo (and to a lesser extent, Wildstorm) is that that while it is a DC imprint, DC doesn't really want it's audience to think of it as such.

When Vertigo was founded in 1993, it mas mostly very much like a DC version of Marvel's current Max imprint, essentially just made of DC Comics that weren't family reading. DC's preexisting horror titles, such Swamp Thing, Hellblazer, House of Secrets, House of Mystery, and the Witching Hour were moved to the imprint, and several DC superheroes who had fallen out of favor since the Silver Age, such as Animal Man, the Doom Patrol, and the aforementioned Shade the Changing Man, were revamped as vertigo books to see if it would stir up any new interest.

Recently, however, the editors in charge of both Vertigo Comics and the mainstream DC Universe have decided that having Vertigo characters exist in the DCU is a bad idea. The DC editors don't like it because they don't want kids thinking it's okay to read Swamp Thing's title just because he guest appeared in Superman's book that month, and the Vertigo editors don't like it because they think the DC Universe is too silly for their target audience and ruins the credibility of their stories.

The DC horror characters remained in the Vertigo imprint, but the revamped superheroes were removed from it with the events of their Vertigo series being mostly removed from continuity (Sorry Stu).

Now Upper Deck has already shown that they have no problem using acceptable elements from otherwise adult-oriented comics in VS (X-Statix certainly wasn't a family superhero book by any means), so the real question becomes whether DC will allow what they consider to be their sophisticated and mature reader's line to be associated with a card game filled with colorful superheroes.

And the likely answer is no.

However ... on the Wildstorm front ... that's another story altogether.

The hint from the whole Captain Atom crossover going on during Infinite Crisis is that Wildstorm is 'officially' part of the DC's multiverse, and could thus become part of the DCU as a result of Infinite Crisis ... but that's just MY random speculation.

The other problem isn't just 'are those comics combat based?' or 'does DC want to acknowledge it?' ... you also have to question whether or not it can fit as a team. Odds are they'd probably have to go with a Marvel Knights approach combining characters by 'theme' or 'comic label' because of the ammount comics which resolve around loners or very small groups with minimal supporting cast.

Of course, as difficult as it would be to have a 'Punisher' team, they did pull off Marvel Knights with minimal complaint ... so I'm guessing that would be the way they'd have to do Vertigo ... [Wildstorm, is more of a 'super hero' universe, so they have some 'super teams' ... right?]

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You know I'd be very surprised if we _don't_ see Swamp Thing and Hellblazer in VS. I don't know about other Vertigo titles, but Bizarro, do you really think that two, relatively, large franchises like that are going to be left by the wayside just because they're kept on "seperate shelves"?

Hellblazer even has a movie. The movie didn't DO well, and wasn't seemingly DONE well, but it still had a movie. And Swamp Thing... Well... Dammit, it's Swamp Thing!

It's not like UDE is afraid of making demonic characters. I doubt they'll shy away from use of the word Hell, ala Wizkids. Isn't Hellboy supposed to be one of the eventual Indy releases? Or was that all just rumor? Not sure. Still, the part about demonic characters stands.

-Mike

True, they would not make a Vertigo team affiliation. It would also be a stretch to think they would make a Vertigo set with Sandmen (Dream Team?), Swamp Things, Animals, and Mad Mod Poets as the four teams.

Really? Could it be? I remember a ten-year speculation list of sets, and it seems that the mother companies could hold off the independants and their own imprints indefinitely.

We liked the movie a lot. And Swamp Thing... Well... Swamp Thing had Adrienne Barbeau! Google THAT, all you little fanboys.

I think you need to read my post again. I don't have a doubt in my mind that Upper Deck will make the cards if DC lets them. The problem is that DC probably won't let them.

Okay, you know who's chomping at the bit to jump into this...

Promethea!

What would be the difference between ABC and Vertigo in this speculation?

Sorry again Stu, but ABC is a separate legal entity from DC Comics that just uses Wildstorm as a publisher. If Upper Deck wanted to make an ABC set, they'd have to go to ABC directly, and even if they did, it's unlikely they would get anywhere, since Alan Moore has a history of refusing to allow merchandise based on his stories to be created.

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