Card Text:
Solomon Grundy gets +3 ATK / +3 DEF while defending against a single character.

While you have no cards in your deck, Solomon Grundy cannot leave play, and if he would become stunned, instead, move him to your hidden area.
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I've done a search and I think I understand this for the most part. Because it doesn't clarify in the card text I just wanted to make sure what his non-stunned state would be after his affect occured. Would be be exhausted or readied?

Thanks,
DK

My deck is empty
Attack concludes, and Solomon Grundy would become stunned.

The stun is replaced with moving Solomon Grundy to my hidden area. If he is ready, he remains ready. If he is exhuasted, he remains exhuasted.

Because the stun was replaced, and did not happen, he does not become exhuasted. All the same, if he were already exhuasted - no part of his entire power readies him.

You do not take any stun damage because he does not get stunned.

You do take breakthrough if appropriate.

slowmail,

I was actually thinking about using this effect in conjunction with Divided We Fall, which is why I was asking.

Thanks,
DK

Funniest match I ever had was I got Soloman out against a Doomabomber deck.

Only reason I lost that match was due to exaustion stuff...

Sounds cool, what is a Doomabomber?

DK

sorry, doomabomber is what I and most others in my playgroup tend to nickname a gammabomb deck.

You know, Apoch and Doom 8 and all that good stuff

You couldn't use him with Divided We Fall---gaining control of the opponent's character is contingent on having stunned your own. Because Solomon Grundy can't be stunned in this situation, you'll never satisfy the "if you do" clause with him.

The DJL FAQ points out that you could stun him to pay a cost, such as with Swan Dive; costs can't be replaced, meaning Grundy would go down. But Divided We Fall isn't talking about a cost, it's simply checking for the effect's resolution to include a stun event, which won't occur.

Actually, you can use him with DWF. The stun was replaced by him being moved to the hidden area; the action that the 'if you do' clause looked for was replaced by an action that actually occured. You do ready the target character and move it to your front row.

Well, then, I whiffed that one pretty hard.

well HeroComplex if you really whiffed somewhere was admitting you were wrong when you were right...

Grundy never gets to stun... that's what a replacement means... you don't do something to do something else.

Conclusion... No Divided We Fall with Grundy after you decked out.

Mephisto: DWF is not a triggered power. The text after 'if you do' checks if you 'stunned a ready SS character you control with cost greater than target character'.

The 'stun' was replaced with 'move Grundy to the hidden area'. Because of rule 511.6 quoted above, DWF checks if you '{moved to the hidden area} a ready SS character you control with cost greater than target character'. If you did, the rest of the text after 'if you do' is followed.

Okay, this is an interesting converstation here. So what's the final verdict here?

Slowmail's quoted rules point is pretty on the nose, so there's not really an argument against it. Grundy replaces the stun with movement, and so according to 511.6, DWF's "if you do" clause checks to see if Grundy successfully did so.

Okay, so basicaly I would play DWF and when it resolves I would stun Solomon but because he doesn't stun, assuming the condition is fullfilled, he would just move to the hidden area and I would take their targeted character? Then I take no stun damage and I'm plus 1 character. Now because Solomon's effect of moving to the hidden area isn't a cost I can actually play multiple DWF's right?

Thanks,
DK