I was wondering if someone could tell me if I can chain plot twists and effects to the 4 drop Fatality's triggered effect of KO'ing characters with cost 3 or less whenever they become stunned... for example, if my 3 drop attacks and gets stunned in the attack, can I chain Baddest of the Bad or The Science Spire to her effect, returning the character to my hand before it gets KO'd? Seems like I should be able to do this, but I wasn't sure.

Similarly, can I chain plot twists to vengeance abilities? These are usually also triggered effects such as "Whenever Hunter Zolomon becomes stunned, ready target character you control." Could I chain a Revitalize to his triggered effect so that he recovers before the effect happens? If so, does that mean I can have him target himself so that he re-readies? Thanks

Yes to the first part and I think so to the second part.

You will have a chance to respond to any effect on the chain; it's actually impossible for an effect to resolve without you first deciding to pass on it.

Payment powers, marked by the arrow, generate effects, and you'll always have a chance to act before what's on the right of that arrow happens. And triggered powers, marked by "when," "whenever," or "at the start of," generate effects as well; you will always be able to act before the triggered effect resolves.

About Hunter Zolomon, you can target any character that fits in his targeting restriction: "target character you control." Luckily for your question, it's a pretty broad one. Any time you're playing an effect that has the word "target," make sure you target a card which fits within the effect's particular targeting restriction. But you don't have to limit yourself any extra beyond the card's text; Hunter Zolomon can target himself since he's a character you control, even while he's stunned.

Hope this helps.

Edit: Filled in missing quotemark.

Ok, thanks to both of you... Hero, could you be a little more specific, though?

It sounds like you're saying that I can bounce my 3 drop in the first case to prevent the KO, but in the second case, it sounds like you're saying that if Hunter said "Target non-stunned character" that it wouldn't work, but that as the wording is now, the he would re-ready himself.

That's correct. His effect triggers off him becoming stunned and therefore doesn't go on the chain until after the stun has resolved, therefore if he said "non-stunned" you would not be able to target him. Luckily they gave Hunter a lot of options.

Definitely.Quite right.That takes the answer a little too far, actually. As the wording is now, he can target himself, no question. If he is still stunned at resolution, then he can't actually ready, because stunned characters can never be ready. But the effect will still try to, since he's a legal target; there's a distinction between choosing an illegal target, which you can never ever do, and choosing characters for whom the effect'll be useless, which is fine.

To illustrate the difference, let's say the opponent is trying to steal one of your characters with Gorilla Grodd. It might be a good idea for you to use a card like Deadly Conspiracy before his effect resolves; if you do, the character he steals won't be able to attack or use activated powers this turn, plus you might draw a card. And you can do this whether the character is ready, exhausted, stunned, hidden, visible...whatever. The card restricts you to targeting a Thunderbolts character you control, but you can target anyone who fits within that description.

Getting specifically back to Hunter Zolomon for a second, though, there are a few reasons you might have him target himself. The first is if you're planning to recover him, so that the effect really will be able to ready him when it resolves. The second is that his effect does have to target someone; if he's your only character as he becomes stunned, then he's the only legal target and you're forced to pick him. Or maybe you attacked with Hunter Zolomon first, and you don't want to prevent any of your other characters from doing breakthrough this turn. In that case, self-targeting is the only way to not mess with your other characters.

Hopefully this cleared up any residual confusion, rather than sowing it fresh. But feel free to keep asking questions. :)

Haha, um, ok, I think I'm clear now. When I said

"...but that as the wording is now, that he would re-ready himself."

I meant if used with a revitalize chained to his effect. But I understand everthing you were saying now, so thanks so much.

Ah, fair enough. Glad the long post didn't scare you off. ;)

I'm confused about recovery effects and Fatality. Can I chain a Revitalize to Fatality's effect and recover the stunned 3 or less cost character before so it doesn't get KO'd?

You can absolutely recover the stunned character, since both of you have a chance to play effects before hers can resolve. But there is still a "KO it" effect waiting to resolve, which means the character is living on borrowed time.

So even if the character is still no longer stunned, it still must hit the KO pile?

Is this the same for cards like Finishing Move, Systematic Torture and No Mercy? Don't those cards check the game state when they resolve and if the character is no longer stunned it can't be ko'd? Or is it the same as Fatality and must still be KO'd?

Fatality's effect triggers off of a character becoming stunned, thats all it looks for, it doesnt check to see if the character is currently stunned
with Finishing Move, you must target a stuned characters, when an effect targets the target must be legal when you play the effect and when the effect resolves. if the effect is not legal when the effect resolves, then the effect is negated