SUPER-EDIT: Locked. I didn't understand, and was arguing a useless/failing side. No matter how much I want to see starters, I concede to rocketgurl that we are not in a position to have them.

Originally Titled Poll (unofficial): starters vs subsets
reason for change: I was proven wrong, and I learned a bit. That said, I feel this could still stay the course of a pleasant discussion of starters and finances.

All the following quotes are taken from http://www.vsrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?t=59144

Basically in question is finance based. Can UDE afford to make starters? Would making such product result in the death of the game? If we were lucky to get MVL in the first place, how could we afford to get MAA?

first, the points:

I think my choice is clear.

EDIT: Added more.

I like the idea of pre-cons. Hell I'd even settle for a yugioh like structure deck, where they take one team and focus on that, it a great way to bring cards back into the modern format e.g. flying kick and it give a good base for new players to start from.

Think about it what if now that Universe is out, they decided to put out an Avengers Structure deck, it could be a basic curve deck with characters from both the Universe and Avengers sets and the rare could be a copy of Avengers Mansion.
It would be a jump off point for new players, it could bring some cards back into modern with out the need for reprints in the set.

Just didn't like how you posted a bunch of your and not a lot of the other side

I got your 2nd one, haven't seen the later ones yet. Were they made after this thread was?

And I did include ones for your side. Didn't mean to be biased though if it turned out to look that way xp

the way ive seen yugioh sell starters is they either make a new card thats broadly playable and include it or rarer card. yes it would lead to decline in value of things like mobilize (though im not saying make a readily availible version). im saying maybe similar to pathetic attempt or bprd signal device. just maybe make a starter like chortle said but maybe toss in a card like +3 to an attacker or defender or something of that sort. that way old players get it to get the good card thats in maybe as a 1 or 2 of and have to blow 20-40 on them depending on how good the card is, and new player would be able to spend 10 and jump in head first.

From a printing/production cost standpoint... the exclusive HL cards/subsets cost less than starters.

No packaging, no packaging art, no distribution chain... etc etc etc.

And unlike starters... UDE has an outlet to get rid of "overstock"... the UDE Points store.

MTG Theme Decks usually go with the formula:
2 Rares
13 Uncommon
25 Commons
22 Lands
They all come from the latest set, have somewhat limited availability. Usually only one of the rares is a "good rare" while the other falls under filler. You never really get a play set of anything, 3 copies of any card max. The packaging is really cheap cardboard and plastic wrapping. Inside there are only cards and a pamphlet explaining the deck's strategy.

Vs System however, does not require lands, so you'll probably need to increase greatly the ammount of commons and uncommons(since UDE might be reluctant to increase the number of rares because it could cheapen their value in the secondary market).
Probably something like:
2 Rares(Really should be 3)
21 Uncommons
37 Commons

For example a FF MVL deck might have only a single copy of Family of Four/Signal Flare/It's Clobbering Time and then a relatively useless rare like Herbie, Fantasticar or Future Technology and only a handful of the commons that would actually go into the deck(Expect a lot of "Reed and Sue"s and "Frankie Raye, Johnny's Flame"s).


I would really love to see pre-cons and I definitely think they are necessary for a game's growth. It could even be claimed that all the games in the Top 5 currently have them in some form(Whether they are in the Top 5 because they have structures or viceversa, is really a though call).

Thats where the problem lies, people don't seem to understand what I personally arguing about. If it was up to me Vs would have a blimp broadcasting VsTV 24/7, but it's not like that. Reminds me of that Will Farell movie: "Hey what would you do if you were going to die and you could do anything?" "Do I get like a million dollars or something?" "No you're you" "Why would I want to be me?"

what im trying to say is becasue theres 1 really good card in the new yugioh starter i know ppl droping $60+ just in the deck so they can have a play set for themelves and a spare/trade set

Well, yeah. Pretty much everyone would drop 10-15$ on a structure to get a Mobilize. And they'll buy multiples. The problem with such an strategy is, would that make-up for the drop in the sales of the set where it was printed originally?
I know people would buy PSV and MRL a lot more if none of the structures existed, but also, I know lots of people wouldn't play YuGiOh if they were forced to buy those sets to play.

This is actually a VERY complicated deal.

Maybe if the structures came out a few months before the cards go Silver and thus its sales are naturally going down?

we dont have any more mvl to buy and who buy legions anymore anyways

As long as it gets more players into the game and thus more sets out in the future I really don't care if its starters or subsets.