Alright guys here i am again, a friend of miune thinks he got cheated at a regional event by a judge on this ruling.

He ruled that Legendary jujitsu master vs shura or Flamvell Dog lets them first ss, then it bounces them back up. Can i get your alls opinions on this just so i can clarify to them

From what i can tell its the whole ju ju is mandatory so its chain link 1, the ss effect is optional so its chain link 2 if they choose to activate it. So it goes backwards they ss then the monster spins right??


Thank you.

Yes, Legendary Jujitsu Master will be Chain Link 1 because it is a mandatory effect, and the Special Summon will be Chain Link 2 because they are optional effects.

If both were mandatory effects, then the effect to become Chain Link 1 will go to the Turn Player's effect, then the opponent's effect will be Chain Link 2.

thank you again inu

wait a minute, I thought the ruling was firedog does not get to special summon if it does not stay on the field ?

That is true;

In order for its effect to activate, “Blackwing - Shura the Blue Flame” must be face-up on the field when the monster it destroyed by battle is sent to the Graveyard. This means:

* If Shura and the other monster destroy each other by battle (equal ATK), Shura’s effect does not activate.

* If Shura is destroyed by a Flip Effect like “Man-Eater Bug,” Shura’s effect does not activate.

* If Shura is flipped face-down after damage calculation by a card effect, such as “Desertapir,” Shura’s effect does not activate.

* If Shura is removed from play by battling “D.D. Warrior,” Shura’s effect does not activate.

* If Shura is destroyed by an effect after the monster it destroyed by battle was sent to the Graveyard, such as “Michizure,” Shura’s effect DOES activate, and you can Special Summon a monster.



o NOTE: These rules also apply to any other monster with the text “When this card destroys an opponent’s monster by battle and sends it to the Graveyard….” (Examples: “Hydrogeddon,” “Goyo Guardian,” or “Elemental Hero Flame Wingman.”)

o These rules do NOT apply to monsters with the text “When this card destroys an opponent’s monster by battle….” (but does not specify “and sends it to the Graveyard”). (Example: “Blue Thunder T-45”.) Monsters with that text will activate their effects in ALL of the above scenarios.




...however, the chain will still occur. Just won't resolve successfully.

K, you had me worried there for a second, I was playing LJM in part because it stopped early firedog plays.

Yeah, it helps to know as it keeps such cards from being too evil with one-sided "suicides" and everything.