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I am using Mimic prime and i am copying Shape Change. If my opponent flurry's targeting Mimic, I however successfully roll shape change. My opponent then targets, and kills the character mimic was copying shape change from is he now able to attack Mimic because shape change no longer exists?
ABSORBING POWERS ALL AROUND ME: Mimic can use the displayed standard attack and damage powers of adjacent characters.
Since no trigger or duration is specified, Mimic's SP is constantly checking for "displayed standard attack and damage powers." As soon as the adjacent character is KO'ed, there is no longer a displayed Shape Change to copy. If no other adjacent character, friendly or opposing, has SC displayed, Calvin would not be able to use SC for the 2nd attack.
Bat-Phreak, since Shape Change forces the attacker to target another one for an entire turn not just for an attack, other characters may attack Mimic without him using SC but not the one that is using Flurry in that situation.
(Since i am not completely sure i will check this.)
Bat-Phreak, since Shape Change forces the attacker to target another one for an entire turn not just for an attack, other characters may attack Mimic without him using SC but not the one that is using Flurry in that situation.
(Since i am not completely sure i will check this.)
Wistler you're correct. Shape change prevents being attacked for the turn against the original attacker. Any other character on the opponents team would be able to attack Mimic in the given example as you stated.
Wistler you're correct. Shape change prevents being attacked for the turn against the original attacker. Any other character on the opponents team would be able to attack Mimic in the given example as you stated.
I think I have to disagree here. Shape Change says:
Quote : Originally Posted by Shape Change
When this character would be targeted by an attack, you may roll a d6. [5] - [6]: This character can’t be targeted by the attacker this turn and the attacker may choose a different target instead.
And looking into some relevant Comprehensive Rules:
Quote : Originally Posted by 20.3 Durations
Some effects persist even after an action or triggered effect has resolved. The length of time these effects last is called a duration. Durations “expire” when the condition for ending them is met or the power/ability that granted them can’t be used or is lost.
(snip)
• “this turn” is a shorthand phrase that means “until the end of this turn.”
(snip)
An effect with a duration that is lost or can’t be used immediately ends its duration unless specifically stated otherwise.
Quote : Originally Posted by 20.4 “Can’t Use”/”Lost”
” Power or abilities that are lost or that can’t be used:
Can’t be activated with an action.
Can’t have any effects trigger.
Can’t have their passive effects applied.
An effect can’t be used when another effect uses the word “can’t” or it is lost. Such as:
(snip) Lost
o A character clicks off of the click showing a power to one not showing that power.
o The game element granting that power or ability to the character is KO’d.
Note that the above are just some examples and not a full list.
Quote : Originally Posted by 20.6b Lost from KO
If a character/game element is KO’d all powers and abilities it could use are lost.
Quote : Originally Posted by 20.6c Lost Effects
If a character was able to use a power or ability that was being granted by another character’s effect and that character can no longer use or loses that effect, the granted power/ability is lost.
Quote : Originally Posted by 20.6e “Even if Lost”
The phrase “even if lost” allows some effects with durations to persist even if the power or ability that granted the effect can’t be used or is lost. In this case, the effect does not end and the effect still applies.
Shape Change has a duration of "until the end of this turn". Mimic is able to use Shape Change because an adjacent character can use it. As soon as that character is KO'd, the power is lost. Therefore, Mimic can no longer use it since the KO'd character is not there to "use" it. Since Mimic can't use it, then the passive effect of not being able to be targeted this turn can't be used and Mimic can be targeted for the second attack.
Bat-Phreak is right when they say:
Quote : Originally Posted by Bat-Phreak
Since no trigger or duration is specified, Mimic's SP is constantly checking for "displayed standard attack and damage powers." As soon as the adjacent character is KO'ed, there is no longer a displayed Shape Change to copy. If no other adjacent character, friendly or opposing, has SC displayed, Calvin would not be able to use SC for the 2nd attack.
All of this assumes you mean that ability and not his Rally ability, which reads:
Quote : Originally Posted by xmrf061b Mimic
FREE: Remove Mimic's RALLY die and choose a displayed standard power a friendly character within range can use. Mimic can use the chosen power this game.
If you mean that ability, well...
Quote : Originally Posted by 20.3 Durations
• “for the rest of the game” or “this game” is a duration that means “until the end of the current
game” (and is assumed to include the phrase “even if lost”).
He's gonna have Shape Change for the entire game, no matter what, and nothing can stop him.
After checking about what Bat-Phreak said. I can say that he is correct and what i said wasn't.
Gensan is correct as well and thanks to him, i don't have to make a post full of quotes to explain the reason (yes, i am still a noob about adding quotes).