Ok, in the last tournament, I had this plan...

My opponent had a Taskmaster carried by a Doombot. Both are declared as CrossGen team ability.

I didn't want to take damage from CrossGen, and wanted to hurt Taskmaster without his Mastermind...So I had this plan... Mind control Taskmaster, have him b/c/f Doombot, and have Doombot inflict CrossGen damage to Taskmaster, in which he can't mastermind since he is not a friendly figure to the Doombot once he is mind controlled.

Of course my opponent realized this when I was about to roll for mind control and missed! So I never got to implement this tactic. However, I was told that even if I did it successfully, my mind controller would still take damage from Taskmaster's CrossGen. Is this true?

It says that once the figure takes damage from any attack, it retaliates with an attack to teh attacker. My mind controller attacked him with mind control, but did not damage to him. The only damage that was received was from the Doombot. So it recieved damage form teh Doombot, making the Doombot the attacker! So does my mind controller get a click of damage, or not?

Hm...Now that I think about it, if Taskmaster gets a click of damage from Doombot, could he retaliate with a CrossGen attack, and the Doombot retaliate with a CrossGen attack from Taskmaster's CrossGen attack, and so on until a figure KOs...? (Nah, probably won't happen)

I don't think that you would take damage from the Mystic/CG ability because MC does not deal damage. Mystics/CG only retaliates when damage is dealt.

Ok, whew! Thought for a moment I was incorrect. Thanks for the reply GreenHornet1

I don't think Crossgen damage activates another figures Crossgen ability.

Yeah, I know it doesn't 'cause the Mystics/CrossGen ability isn't an attack

Thank god you missed that attack, we would have had a long argument about it.

Nah, I'll just most likely be a sap and take Austin's judgement and take that 'click' of damage. I just wanted to make sure if I was right. I'll probably try it again sometime in the future.

A small correction, Mystics/CGs retaliate when the character takes damage from an attack. So it's not enough that they are dealt the damage, they have to take it (click their dial).

As for the scenario, if you had successfully MCed Taskmasters and then had Taskmaster damage the Doombot then the only character that could be dealt the retaliation damage is Taskmaster. The MC deals no damage so Taskmaster would not retaliate.

However, most likely your opponent would just have the Doombot not mimic the Crossgen ability while he is being attacked by Taskmaster. Then there would be no retaliation at all.

I apologize for the apparent confusion, but since MC deals no damage, then why would the Mystic/CG take damage or click their dial?

I didn't say MC would make the Mystic/CG take damage. In fact, I said that there would be no retaliation to the MCer because MC does no damage.

However, you said that Mystic ability activated when the character is dealt damage. This is not correct. It activates when the Mystic takes damage. It's an important distinction. From the glossary:

"damage dealt : The number of clicks an attacking character deals to a target character. Damage dealt equals an attacking character’s damage value modified by its powers and abilities and the powers and abilities of friendly characters in whatever order the attacking player chooses."

"damage taken: The number of clockwise clicks applied to a target character. Damage taken equals the damage dealt by the attacking character, modified by the target character’s powers and abilities."

So if a Mystic has invulnerability and I "deal" 2 clicks of damage to them I would not take the retaliation because after the invulnerability reduces the damage they end up "taking" no damage.

The distinction is so miniscule, in my opinion, that it should be grouped under one term. I thank you for the clarification.

If it were all grouped under one term, then powers like Impervious, Invulnerability, and Toughness wouldn't do anything. It is understandably confusing sometimes, but there needs to be separate definitions for the two.

This is why I fear going to tourneys... judges that don't follow the rules or don't know the rules.

What would of happened if you had gotten Taskie and he would have successfully attack Doombot. Well obviously your opponent would have switched TAs and this arguement would be over. '

Even if Taskie was being carried by a flying Mystic/Crossgen charcter the opponent can still choose to not activate the TA. As far as I know there are only two powers that are non-optional. Battle Fury and (coming soon) Earthbound.

super strength isn't optional either.

Super strength IS optional by definition, but as soon as you have activated it to hold an object, you cannot turn it off. So it is optional and mandatory depending on the situation.