Can you use RCE with RS in the same action?

-joe

No!

even with the indy rules?

-joe

Yes.

okay. Can someone tell me where it says you can't because last week at the venue we decided that it was legal. don't want amazo running crazy on me.

-joe

RANGED COMBAT EXPERT. [RED] (optional) Give this character a power action. It may make a ranged combat attack against a single target. If this character does so, increase its damage value by 2. This character’s damage dealt is not increased when using objects as weapons. No other powers may increase this character’s damage value or damage dealt when this character uses Ranged Combat Expert.

RUNNING SHOT. [SILVER] (optional) Give this character a power action. Move this character up to half its speed value and then make one ranged combat attack as a free action.
1. Characters using Running Shot still follow standard rules of movement, including break away and the ability to carry other characters. However, a carried character must be dropped before the Charging character uses the Free Action portion of Running Shot to attack.
2. A character using Running Shot may attack after picking up an object.
3. A Running Shot out of hindering terrain works at one-fourth the character’s initial speed. First, the character’s speed is halved (provided it does not have any powers or abilities that allow it to ignore the effects of hindering terrain on movement) because it begins in hindering terrain. Then the move is halved again if the character chooses to use Running Shot.
4. A character using Running Shot and Super Strength cannot pick up an object as it moves into a square adjacent to an opposing character, unless the Running character has another power or ability that allows it to ignore the effects of opposing characters on movement.
5. A character cannot use Running Shot unless its final destination square allows it to draw a clear line of fire to a target within range. [FAQ]

Range Combat Expert needs to use a power action.

Running shot only allows you to make a range combat attack. It does not give you a Power Action!

thank you.

-joe

If you play by the old rules you could do it and it made the game quicker, its one of the rules that I wish they didnt change, or atleast if your taking away the extra damage then let the fig move thier whole speed value even that would have been nice, but alas thats the beauty of home games you can still use the old rules which state you may use any power that requires a ranged action with running shot, sob I miss the old days but heroclicks still kicks azz

Umm, even in the old rules you could not do it. This rule has been here since the start of hero clix.

In the old rules, RCE stated it could not be used with ANY other power. As such, you could not use RCE with RS.

if you look at the rules that came with the marvel starter set under running shot this is exactly what is written,

Running shot. this character can move and then make a ranged combat attack in the same action. When you give this character a move action, he may move up to half his speed value and then make a ranged combat attack as if he had been given a ranged combat action. This ranged combat attack does not cost an extra action. This character may use any of his super powers that require a ranged combat action.

that is the old rules verbatum, pay attention to the last sentence.

now under ranged combat attack it says thisw character adds 2 to thier damage for sucessful single target ranged combat attacks. this power dose not work with other power such as super strength or enhancement.

meaning you cant use ranged combat with a thrown object (super strength)and you can combine any other damage bonus such as (enhancement). since running shot dosent increase the damage it was fine to combine the 2 originaly.

This is by the original marvel rules, I checked way back with wizkids for clarification and this was what I was originaly told.

The rules have changed since then and they clarified the new rules as the indy rules. again this is how it was explained when I asked for clairification way back when the game first started, everyone was confused because the tornament rules were different, the point is you could not use 2 powers that increased damage such as close combat and superstrength with an object and no enhancment with ranged combat.

ummm yesss!

Ummm, no. If you would of read the FAQ you would of known this.

As for your example those are just examples. It works with no powers. Sorry this is an old rule.

Link to answer in 2002


Have to go down to Xanth who is a Mod to see the answer from Wizkids. But you get the idea.

as I said this came from wizkids itself waaaayyyy back probably before the faq, but it dosent matter now due to the faqs and rule clarifications.
Its still open for anyones house rules of cource, besides think about it im cyclops and just because I take a couple of steps I cant do the same amount of damage with an optic blast?? it would have been better to say you take a -2 to hit with a running shot due to moving and shooting, but wizkids did what they did.

no biggie lets get past this

Well my comes from wizkids when the game was first realised 05/08/02. This is an old rule. Who ever you heard it from was wrong, really wrong. Why would I want to house rule. Its called balance. This is a game you have to have balance.