iirc, PC can happen at any time there is a dice roll (as long as it's your roll on your turn, or your opponents roll on their turn).

I agree. PC isn't even an action per the PAC. Any dice roll that you make on your turn that the PCer has LOF to and is within 10 squares of is fair game, including rolls to base a KC figure and rolls for attacks made during a Hypersonic hit-n-run. It isn't an action so it doesn't break the action within an action rule.

I have had problems with people complaining when I stand on the playing map for just that intention.

Ignore them, Sandra.

Well ok...

PC says that you may re-roll a single dice roll of the turn it is on. You are trying to move adjacent, so it is your turn. They are the ones you are moving adjacent to so it's their dice.

therefore you cannot re-roll a KC roll with PC because this TA will only be used when it isn't their turn. Ever since they changed PC it has made it rather confusing for a lot of people.

At this time, it does not look like you can use Probability Control on the Kingdom Come roll for the exact reason you are questioning it, Sandra. This is still an issue on the Judges Forum though.

Wait (to be serious), I'm missing something. If I'm going to base KC Supes with my Moon Knight on my turn, and I roll the die for KC, then I should be able to PC the KC roll.

My re-roll on my turn.

The Kingdom Come ability says --
And from the PAC --
"That" is referencing the opposing player, which means the dice roll is on his turn. Normally, that means you could use PC on the roll since it is an opponent's roll on his turn, but since you do not have LoF to a character (it specifically says the player is the one making the roll), it does not appear that you can use PC on the roll. But as I said before, this is still under discussion on the Judges Forum.

Here's the thing with KC: If you are moving adjacent to a KC member, you must actually move the figure and place it in the last possible square before becoming adjacent.

Then you (the player who just moved near the KC figure) must roll to see if you are actually brave enough to follow through with your action.

If you suceed, you may continue the rest of your move and base the KC figure.

If you fail, you can use the rest of your movement and go somewhere else.

This is why it is important to place the figure in the semi-adjacent square before the roll, as powers and abilities such as probility control could come into play (line of sight and all that).

Being as you are the player who rolls for the KC ability and NOT the KC Team Member, you certianly can use probility control on it.

Unfortunately it's not that clear, krusticlese. HeroComplex is still looking at this issue. The problem is that the KC ability specifically says the roll is made by the player, not the character. Look at the PAC... all references to dice rolls are in conjunction with the character involved, this one is not.

Where's the ambiguity Funky, it is spelled out in the PC and KC descriptions you posted.

Is it the word "that"(player) in the KC description? It refers to a player (the one attemptig to base KC) and a character (the KC character) in the description. It never mentions the person controlling the KC figure as a "player".

I'm fairly confident that this was the intent behind the rule, ambiguity or not, and that this is how it will be resolved.

Why coudn't I have gotten into a game that DOESN'T change their rules every 2 months

I see where you are coming from, Funky, but I'm the type of judge that doesn't allow people to exploit tiny loopholes in the rules. The intent seems quite clear in this case.

And wth that, I should probably take this to the judges forum

Can you say "rules lawyering". And even at that it is still clear, KC DOES reference a character "...an opposing player attempts to move a CHARACTER..."
Why do you think "opposing player" excludes "a character".

Stuff like this is why we have an FAQ every month...because rules lawyers FORCE them to. With the exception of obvious problems...JUST PLAY THE GAME people.

I'm with Krusti on this. You have to move through squares on the map, one to the next. You are never "off the map" unless you are being carried. So the moving character is 2 squares away from the KC character, in that square. So line of sight isn't an issue.

As for re-rolling, I understand Funkey's point. The fact that they are "looking" at this "issue" is sort of silly, IMO. Common sense should rule here. (I know, I know. Common Sense? What's that? )

And just in case anyone reading needs me to clarify, IMO, the common sense interpretation is that since it is your turn when you are moving, and your figure is on the map, if you have line of sight and you have PC available, then you can re-roll your KC check, the same way you can re-roll your attack, or BCF damage.

Since the player attempting the move gets to make the roll (unlike the Skrull TA, for instance), then the player who is moving should get to PC that roll.

Regardless of how it's ruled "officially", my games will be run this way.