msdp048 The Falcon can start with redwing




i have a question

can i just pay for redwing the cap shield objects on my force


move and equip it then next turn and just grab the redwing object and use it to summon redwing?

it says "FREE: Remove a Redwing Light Object held by this character from the game"
held seems to be the thing I'm having trouble with here. can I have something equipped, then grab this thing as a held object and use it?

Yes, an equipped object is not being carried so you can pick up an carry an object while having another equipped.

"17.4 Picking Up Objects
All characters have the inherent ability to pick up a light object. Anytime an object is picked up, it becomes held.
Once per move, a character can pick up a light object in a square they move through, or a square adjacent to one they move through. A character may move 0 squares but still pick up an object from the square they occupy or an adjacent one.
Characters that can use the standard power Super Strength can pick up heavy objects (in addition to light ones). If an effect doesn’t specify if you can pick up a light or heavy object, you may pick up either."

"17.5 Holding Objects
A character can hold only one object at a time. When an object is held by a character, it is considered off the map and can only be affected by effects that specify held objects. It is not in the square the character occupies and it is not adjacent to the character holding it.
If a character holding an object is KO’d or loses Super Strength (while holding a heavy object) the character immediately puts down the object into the square they occupied. If an effect requires that a character not be holding an object, that character can’t pick one up or
be holding one while that effect is being used. A held object does not join the force of the character holding it (if it was an opposing object)."

"25.2a Equipment Keyphrases
The following keyphrases are only used with equipment and explain how a character can
equip equipment and what happens when a character becomes unequipped.

• Equip (Friendly) - A friendly character in this square or holding this object has “POWER: Equip this object.”
• Equip (Any) - Any character in this square or holding this object has “POWER: Equip this object.”
• Unequip (KO) - When unequipped, destroy this object.
• Unequip (Drop) - When unequipped, place this object in the previously equipped character’s square.
• When an equipped character is KO’d, replaced, or equipped again, the currently equipped
  equipment is unequipped. A character can’t normally choose to just unequip equipment.
• If a character becomes a non-standard character while they’re equipped, they stay equipped, but they can’t use the EFFECT ability.
• An equipped character that joins a force that isn’t its starting force (like with Mind Control)

can’t use the equipment’s EFFECT ability while it’s part of that force.

You can only equip a standard character"

Note that you can equip an object your holding.

Note that you must be equipped with the Redwing equipment to use its EFFECT. Holding it is not enough to give you access to it.

The removing of a Redwing light object to generate a Redwing bystander is referring to the specific light object generated when that bystander is KO'd. You must be equipped with the Redwing equipment to do this.

I assumed you can use the second effect when holding it:

EFFECT: FREE: Once per game, generate a Redwing bystander. // FREE: Remove a Redwing Light Object held by this character from the game. If you do, this turn, this character may activate the FREE action to generate the Redwing Bystander regardless of the "Once per game"

Nope, it's still part of the EFFECT of the equipment.

Look at the bystander and note that it creates a specific Redwing Light Object when it is KO'd:



That is what this EFFECT is referring to, and you do not have access to either FREE action (The initial once per game generate OR the remove a light object to generate) unless you have the Redwing Equipment equipped.

Both FREE actions are listed under the EFFECT of the equipment, which means you can only use them once you are equipped with it.

The purpose of these effects is to create a loop for the equipped character.

1. Generate Redwing (Bystander)
2. Redwing (Bystander) is KO'd and generates Redwing (Light Object)
3. Pick up Redwing (Light Object)
4. Remove Redwing (Light Object) from the game
5. Return to Step 1

The more it is explained( great job, Gensan ) the more frustrated I become with whomever it was that wrote/created this equipment. It could have been much more plainly done, IMHO.

do you need to re equip it each time between steps 3 and 4?

Redwing was never unequipped.

When the character equipped with Redwing (Equipment) generates Redwing (Bystander), he remains equipped with Redwing (Equipment).

Being equipped with Redwing (Equipment) is what allows the character to take step 4.

-J

I really wish WK had somehow been more clear that there are three distinct game elements all named "Redwing"

• Redwing (Equipment) i.e. "Redwing Pack"
• Redwing (Bystander) i.e. "Redwing"
• Redwing (Light Object) i.e. "Damaged Redwing"

-J

Yeah having three different thing tied to the same object as Redwing, is bad naming.

this explains it perfectly, thank you!