Ok, I've done my research but I'm a little confused.

Steenboch says:
When a figure uses Telekinesis, the object or figure being TK'ed does not block the TK'er line of sight. (Steenbock, May 25, 2002)

Xanth says:
Magister ruled that the fig being TKed does not block the line of fire to the destination square since the fig is being lifted up out of the way so yes you can move Sabretooth and yes you can target Blade. (9/27/02)
http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showth...threadid=12531

But then Herocomplex says:
By the by, I did a search in the Judges Forum and found that Chapeau did make a ruling. The Steenbock one was changed, and you cannot TK-attack a Stealthed figure with their own object. (12/15/02)
http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showth...threadid=20081


So call me officially confused. If I want to TK a friendly figure, does that friendly figure block my line of sight? If I want to throw an object at a stealthed figured does that object block my line of site? If I want to throw an object at a non-stealthed figure and the object I'm throwing is in my line of sight to the target does that figure get the hindering terrain bonus or not?

When you TK a friendly figure... that figure will not block Line of Fire to your target square.
The object will not block Line of Fire as it is considered Hindering. So, no... the object will not block your Line of Fire to a non-Stealthed figure.
The object won't block Line of Fire as it is considered Hindering for the purposes of Line of Fire. HOWEVER... what is being stated is this:

If you are adjacent to a figure who has Stealth and is in the same square as an object token.... you cannot use the object token to perform a Ranged Combat attack against that Stealthed figure. This is because you must have Line of Fire at the declaration of the action. Now that same object token can be used at another legal opposing target, just not the Stealthed one who is 'on' that object.


This make sense?

The second question you answered didn't ask about blocking line of fire, it asked about the hindering terrain bonus (+1 to defense). But based on your other answers I'm assuming that the target would not get the bonus.

So let's say there's an object in the square between a TK figure and a Stealth figure. The TK figure can thrown the object at the Stealth figure in this case. But if the Stealth figure were standing on that object instead then the TK figure couldn't throw the object a them. Is that correct?

That really doesn't sound logical to me because from a rules standpoint a TK figure can throw objects at anyone, even adjacent figures. Why would it matter if the Stealth figure was standing on the object or not?

Oh... yeah... If the object being used is in between the two figures. The object will provide the +1 Defensive bonus to the non-stealthed figure. Even though this object is being used in the attack, it is still counted when determineing Line of Fire.

Even though this object is being used in the attack, it is still counted when determineing Line of Fire. Since you cannot draw Line of Fire to the figure with Stealth (because of the intervening object), then the TK atatck cannot be made against that stealthed figure. So, no... it would not matter if the Stealthed figure was standing on the object or not. What matters is if Line of Fire can be drwan

Thanks for clearing things up as usual, Tsannik. TK is only close combat when used to move an object or figure. If the object is used to attack, it starts off as a ranged attack and thus requires LoF to the target of the attack when the action is declared.

So far this all makes perfect sense, except for one thing: If I'm adjacent to a Stealth figure on an object, I can TK the object and then attack someone ELSE, since I can't legally target the Stealther? Is this a sneaky exception to the rule about only attacking adjacent figures, and only ranged attacking if they fly?

No.. it's not supposed to be....

Regardless of TK, regardless of how many lightning bolt icons you have if you are a flyer.....


If you are B2B with a figure... you can only attack that figure you are b2b with.

So, thought the figure can use the TK object to attack someone else... that someone else must also be adjacent in that specific scenario.

So Steenboch and Magister have both been overruled by Chapeau, as HeroComplex mentions in my first post.

I really think that the figure or object that you are using TK on should not affect your line of sight. It just makes sense to me, but I guess I can see it both ways.

Oh well, Jean Grey and Mandroid take another step down in my book.

Yeah. That's the way it is.

Are you sure about friendlies not blocking LOF. This is the case for your +1 defense bonus and stealth figure argument. At the time of declaration: "I will TK Cyke" and Cyke is blocking LOS to the destination- I therefore cannot TK him to the square that I cannot see. This is pretty much the same reason for ranged attacks against stealth and why you still get the hindering terrain modifier with the same TK'ed object.

If this is true then the other cases should be allowed as well. Is it in the f.a.q. re: friendlies not blocking? Thanks.

When TKing... the figure you are TKing will not block Line of Fire. Other figures (friendly and opposing) will still block Line of Fire, as normal.

Objects never block Line of Fire anyways... so I'm not sure why they were even mentioned. Now Stealth will block Line of Fire if an object is in the way, as normal.

This ruling has not yet made it into the FAQ.

And so we see yet again the reason for your signature line Tsannik.

Thanks for your help.

Yes... There is no pineapple... only lists.....


Oh.. you mean the other thing.... yeah... that too

I have another question on TK. If you have an enemy who is stealthed on a object that you move you cannot attack that character. If you also have a hovering character adjacent can you attack that character even though you have a grounded enemy also adjacent to you? Since attacking with this object is a ranged attack.

I'd say that this quote from the rulebook would allow you to use the object in a TK attack on that figure (regardless if it's a flying or non-flying figure) even though you are base-to-base with another opposing Stealthed figure.


This make sense?

I guess so. Thanks.