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I want to play a Metal Men team. Let's start with Will Magnus and Platinum's SP: ROBOTICIST: Will Magnus and Platinum can use Perplex. When they use Perplex, they can use it normally or modify by +1 or -1 the same combat value (except damage value) of all friendly characters with which they share at least two keywords (all other rules for Perplex apply normally).
I want to try to use this to boost range. Two members of the Metal Men have Special Powers that set a range value.
First is Gold: GOLDEN LASSO: Gold can use Incapacitate, but only as part of a ranged combat action (as if he had a range of 6).
Then there is Lead and Tin: TINTERFERENCE: Lead and Tin can use Outwit (but only against targets 5 or fewer squares from them) and Shape Change.
Can I use ROBOTICIST to boost these ranges?
Thanks!
Fixer of the Thunderbolts clan aka Bob
"Common sense is not so common" ~ Voltaire
I want to play a Metal Men team. Let's start with Will Magnus and Platinum's SP: ROBOTICIST: Will Magnus and Platinum can use Perplex. When they use Perplex, they can use it normally or modify by +1 or -1 the same combat value (except damage value) of all friendly characters with which they share at least two keywords (all other rules for Perplex apply normally).
I want to try to use this to boost range. Two members of the Metal Men have Special Powers that set a range value.
First is Gold: GOLDEN LASSO: Gold can use Incapacitate, but only as part of a ranged combat action (as if he had a range of 6).
Then there is Lead and Tin: TINTERFERENCE: Lead and Tin can use Outwit (but only against targets 5 or fewer squares from them) and Shape Change.
Can I use ROBOTICIST to boost these ranges?
Thanks!
Not these ones. I've highlighted the important part. Perplex from WM&P is applied as any other Perplex is applied. That means that it would have to occur at some point prior to when the other actions would occur. When those actions are given, the new range values replace the given ones and any previously applied modifiers (such as from WM&P's Perplex).
GOLDEN LASSO: Gold can use Incapacitate, but only as part of a ranged combat action (as if he had a range of 6).
I'll make the obligatory post saying that this is the lamest special power ever: Just like a power on the PAC, in the usual slot, but a slightly different range than usual.
I'll make the obligatory post saying that this is the lamest special power ever: Just like a power on the PAC, in the usual slot, but a slightly different range than usual.
And without the option to use it in close combat. I suppose it's one reason he never has lower than 9 AV for only 60 points.
God is smarter than we are....
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I'll make the obligatory post saying that this is the lamest special power ever: Just like a power on the PAC, in the usual slot, but a slightly different range than usual.
Standard Incapacitate can be used as a Close Combat Action as well as a Ranged Combat Action (provided the character has a range value greater than 0). This special power cannot.
Not these ones. I've highlighted the important part. Perplex from WM&P is applied as any other Perplex is applied. That means that it would have to occur at some point prior to when the other actions would occur. When those actions are given, the new range values replace the given ones and any previously applied modifiers (such as from WM&P's Perplex).
And Tinterference doesn't actually use range so Perplex wouldn't affect it at all.
Yep. They key is Perplex only allows changes to printed combat values. It can't modify default ranges granted in the wording of powers (SP, Perplex, Outwit,PC, ect)
Thanks everyone! I'm trying to think of any possible spin to put on this team to make it more competitive. I think for the 400pt Floor event, I'll have to drop Iron and add Danger for a Robot theme team:
Mercury (25)
+ Pounce (15)
Gold (60)
Wil Magnus and Platinum (75)
Lead and Tin (100)
Danger (124)
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399 points
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Thoughts?
Fixer of the Thunderbolts clan aka Bob
"Common sense is not so common" ~ Voltaire
I like this Robot theme team, but uses a lot less variety of Metal Men (which isnīt all that bad...a friend of mine almost cried after pulling out Will Magnus and Platinum on a booster):
Iron 70
Gold 60
- Contingency Plan 12
Gold 60
- Contingency Plan 12
Mercury 25
Mercury 25
Danger 124
- Nanobots 10
Total: 398
And donīt forget you Alpha Strike BFC at home when play it.
Just to make a note, with the special powers like the incap power mentioned above, it is an implied replacement value even though it is not clearly stated on the card.
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Just to make a note, with the special powers like the incap power mentioned above, it is an implied replacement value even though it is not clearly stated on the card.
I'm not sure (I could easily be wrong however):
GOLDEN LASSO: Gold can use Incapacitate, but only as part of a ranged combat action (as if he had a range of 6).
The bolded "as if" implies to me it's not a replacement value but more a set range like with PC or Outwit. I'd imagine if it was a replacement value it'd read more like:
GOLDEN LASSO: Gold can use Incapacitate, but only as part of a ranged combat action. When Gold uses Incapacitate his range becomes 6 for the duration of the action.
But it's pointless to speculate until it's ruled on. And either way you couldn't modify the range via a Perplex anyway.