Why would you wait to change the standard build total? Didn't Unleashed and Ultimates kind of make 400 pts a requirement?

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I am a huge DC fan: Hypertime is the worst set. Fun to play but lots of really bad pieces. Thankfully ICONS is on its way.

I'm not saying, HT is the best thing since sliced bread......but it does have tournament worthiness..more than it is given credit for.

Sometimes people need to look past the cut-throat level of play, to see that some figures are worth their weight in gold.

The deal. As I quoted. You had said, I said you were wrong. Which I didnt say.

You are not trying to rate things but you rate Hypertime higher in catogeries. Which means you rated it.

You keep bringing up the general public as it pertains to me. Because you would rate DC Character Recoginition Higher then a 9. Which I gave my reasons for it and you still trying to argue it.

What you did was say one thing but meant something else. A lot of it was just the way of the internet. It just seems like you got a lot of what I said wrong. I quoted what you said. Your argueing that you didnt say it. Yet you did.

This illustrates one of the problems I have with Manchine's original review.

Manchine's review doesn't take into account retired sets. It doesn't even mention Universe. And it reads as kind of a mix, sometimes ranking sets based on how well they perform today versus how well they have performed in the past. As such, I don't think it offers much guidance as to what sets a new player should buy.

I much prefer Dark Sabre's thoughtful analysis.

But that's just my opinion. As they say, YMMV.

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The deal. As I quoted. You had said, I said you were wrong. Which I didnt say. {/quote]

No, now you are wrong, because you aren't reading what I said, but making it into what you want it to be.



Wrong again, just providing a different perspective. I didn't rate anything, yet. But sit tight sparky, I'm about to.

Yet again, you are wrong. But since you insist, then here you I would rate HT recognition at least equal to--because more of those characters have been exposed to the general public by means other than comic books. Because as you have stated in the past , you have spent most of your time reading Marvel, which means the majority of your exposure has been to Marvel Characters.

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What you did was say one thing but meant something else. A lot of it was just the way of the internet. It just seems like you got a lot of what I said wrong. I quoted what you said. Your argueing that you didnt say it. Yet you did.

I think you need just need to learn how to read a little better. As obviously you have no clue what I meant.

Just in case any of you would like to know, I also did a set ranking which can be found here:

Yggmannaz's Set Rankings

I tried to steer away from personal bias as well as using opinion like character recognition to rate them. Be warned it is long, but I'd like to think of it as fairly accurate.

The thing is, no matter how hard you try, I don't think you can do this without having some form of bias.

There's no right or wrong, I just did one, based on figures that I would choose to play from each set.

Not right or wrong....just a different way.

True, bias will always come into play. I'm just saying that using the criteria I selected, I tried to minimize the amount of bias included.

I did look at your ranking and was surprised at the results. The only one that I think is "off" from your point of view is the Universe ranking. Of the six you took, those six were probably the six from the starter deck, right? How many figures that you picked from Xplosion and Infinity Challenge are included in Universe...that would be a more telling percentage, than the 5% you had. As it is, you were taking the six figures that are only available in Universe, a 6/6, or 100% outlook. To give Universe a fair ranking to go with the rest of them, and to provide a more accurate outlook for people who don't have access to the earlier sets, and only Universe, you should include the figs as I said above in the rankings. It would be interesting to see the outcome with that in mind.

I thought the same of you. Since you obviously didnt get it and are still not getting it. Oh well, at l wasnt putting anyone down. Unlike someone.

Well, I apologize, as I did not mean to put you down. But its obvious that we are having communication issues, and this issue is just best left alone.


Yggmannaz> Never thought of looking at Universe in that light, but I will go back and do that now.

Exactly, LOL. Thats what I said the first time LOL. Its all good.

Ned,

Thank you SO MUCH for trying to educate the public - my head screams to explode for a second every time I see someone replacing one of these words with the other!

I agree with most of this. There are a few differences but most of it I agree with. Nice list Manchine.

I Should redo this and add in all the new sets. It will be interesting how the test of time has held up to all the older sets. =)

I might just type up an article this weekend. =)