The problem is, the crossovers sell really well. Go check the best-selling lists. There's a whole bunch up there. So, someone's liking them and voting with their dollars.

Me, not so much. I read Incredible Herc, but it's a self-contained story, and tells me what I need to know about the rest of the mess. And for a totally unconnected story, I recommend everyone pick up Immortal Iron Fist. There's some awesome action in the might Marvel tradition!

I think maybe why I am not burned out on this stuff is because I don't collect everything, the only Secret Invasion I collected was SI itself and the T-Bolts (thats just because T-Bolts is my only constant marvel Comic)

the only Dark Reign are the occassional One shots and Dark Avengers, Hawkeye and Ms Marvel, but I think its import to point out that both Ms Marvel and Hawkeye are having there own unique stories and seem to be taking place "out of time" with the rest of the Marvel universe.


I think these Crossover events have been written for casual comic buyers.

You would not re-read the same thing fiften times if you didnt buy every marvel book.


I am not saying its good or bad.


I am saying its why I have no problem with these events.



I am also getting the feeling that alot of these people who are complaining about the events and crossovers probably are not actually even reading the content and, quite literally judging a book by its cover, they see SI or DR and skip it.

I personally think the Quality of the story in DR (and how its told, Did you know Normans fall, How, when and where it happens has already been shown?) is a cut above what has come out in previous years.

I have read a Bit of HoM, AD, CW, PH and WWH in trades, and found it to be great (PH, HoM) to Good (WWH) to Boring and Pointless (AD,CW)

and DR has beaten them all heads and shoulders.

Secret Wars

I just have a question, and maybe it's 6 of one, half a dozen of the other, but why do you call Dark Reign a crossover event? It's really not. It's the end result of pretty much everything since Disassembled. I know it's relatively new but every title I read, it's more and more apparent that this isn't something that is just going to end in a six-issue mini and barely be referenced again. This is a status quo change to the Marvel U, not some six-issue mini that has an impact for one summer and is gone.

Marvel is finally doing something that will actually last, if the writers stick to their guns and follow through with it. And what's more, it actually freaking makes sense.

I would have to say my biggest problem with the "never-ending crossover glut" is that it seems the titles are so busy dealing with crossovers that they might get an issue in here or there for their "normal stories" before having to dive right back into crossover events.

so Dark Reign is the official event of '09?

I agree with that.

I was enjoying New Avengers much more as its own title before the underlying plot mutated and took over the entire MU.

I especially hate the "no more mutants" aspect; which torpedoed the great work of Grant Morrison on New X-Men, as well as the fantasic expansion and re-exploration of the concept by Mike Alred in X-Force / X-Statix. all the X-titles save Astonishing really took a dive after house of M.

The crossovers are really taking away the distinctiveness of each line, making everything into one huge confusing puzzle-comic.

In the past there were cross-overs, guess starts, team-up books. But what's different about the past few years is the pure saturation of these plotlines. This phenonemon is sales driven, but I have gotten to the point that I avoid these titles. It wouldn't bo so bad but the few Marvel titles I do buy have the same story over and over. The dark Avengers so up and fight someone to a standstill.

*looks at Moon Knight #30 and the conclusion where MK decides to go back to New York, partly because of Norman*

*makes a face-related motion with his palm*