No questions this time

Just wanted to apologize for some wrong information I may have given on this forum (and I didn't feel like searching through the threads to see where I posted the info). I've discovered that it was ruled that if a character with impervious is targetted with a multi-target energy explosion and has the potential to take splash damage as well, they can only avoid or reduce the initial attack damage, not the splash damage. I had thought that since the power states it works when the character is the target of an attack that it would work for all the damage of the attack (after all, the character is targetted in the attack) however, the DC FAQ states that impervious does not work against splash damage (period).

So, I have been corrected and I apologize if I mislead anyone on here. I guess my logic was flawed.

What the heck? How can that be, since all damage is applied at once. That is the worst ruling I have ever heard.

Canada Maestro, in my book you are still faultless.

It doesn't matter when it is applied, as it's technically a separate attack. If Vet Boomerang targets a big group of people with Juggernaut in the centre, Juggernaut takes no damage, and Invulnerability is triggered by each seperate attack. Same with Toughness and Super Senses. However, Impervious only works when they are the target - as a result, no damage is taken from the one they are the target of, but splash damage is taken by the one they are not the target of.

No. Its not a seperate attack. It is the same attack with a different target.

Lets say you have someone with three bolts and EE, and they are all standing adjacent to a juggernaut, Juggernaut would take one damage if the attack hit him (and all three people that were targeted) after invulnerability. That is why this is a dumb ruling. Its all one attack, the attack targeted the impervious figure. This is the worst ruling of all time.

Braden is correct. It's damage from one attack so Juggernaut's invulnerability only reduces the total by 2 points. If he was set to take 1 normal plus 2 for splash he would reduce the total (3) by 2 and take 1 click of damage.

With the ruling the way it is, if we replace Juggernaut with Superman, Supes would get to roll to avoid the 1 click of normal damage (although his impervious would just absorb it anyways the roll is critical as it may mean that adjacent figures may not get splash damage from that part of the attack) but the other 2 for splash damage would go through his impervious.

I'm not a big fan of this ruling either and when playing with friends we may keep my initial understanding as a house rule. But that's just me.

I normally agree with the rulings, even those that make no sense outside of the game (how can you mastermind a psychic blast) but this is just plan dumb.

And that's not true, I've made some mistakes from time to time. I can think of a couple booboos I've made while answering questions here ... but please don't go looking for them

I appreciate the sentiment though

correct me if i'm wrong... mastermind requires you to be the TARGET of a successfull attack... but if you target both a character with mastermind and an adjacent charcter with EE, the mastermind character can mastermind ALL the damage to the adjacent character because it is simultaneous damage and the mastermind character was targetted.

to me impervious would be the same... i can see not being able to avoid splash damage IF the character wasn't targeted... but if he is targeted, then he should be able to avoid all the damage including splash with a successful roll.

ahhh well.

Mastermind was brought up as well. Since Mastermind says "all the damage it would receive from the attack" (keyword being "all") it was allowed to shift over all the damage (targetted and splash). Impervious doesn't have that keyword ("all") so it was ruled differently.

I don't care for this but I'm just passing on what I'm told. As well, the way the DC FAQ is written, impervious is useless against splash damage.

Psycic blast ignores defences so how could you MM it? Thats completely bogus. who told you you could PB there character w/ MM, but it wouldn't bypass MM? I think you probably got ripped off.... Or worse this is in the FAQ & I missed it... That seems sooooo wrong. "Say it ain't so Plucky... Say it ain't so."

Psychic blast ignores powers that reduce damage (not all defences). So, you can Master Mind a Psychic Blast attack as you are not reducing damage, just shifting it. You can also use super senses against Psychic Blast.

What's even wackier, if you MM the Psychic Blast damage to someone with say Imp,Tough,or Inv, the MM damage ignores the abilities still.

You blast Doom for 2 with Psychic Blast, he masterminds it to Sandman (with Invulnerability). Where usually Sandman would take no damage, he still takes 2 as the Psychic Blast part kind of carries over with the MM damage and ignores his Inv.

Least I'm pretty sure, although like Maestro admits, I've been more than wrong on occasion too *laugh*

That is the stupidest ruling I've ever heard.... & there are some stupid ones... I'm not calling any of you stupid. Its just how can Dr. Doom grab a doombot & say "I feel you in my head Despero, but I comand you to go into this Doombots head (or Sandman w/ the above illustration). For I am Doom..." or Madame Masque to Scorpion. can they MM Mind control too? I must now rumage throught the FAQ & find if & how this is possible.