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Ok my question is if someone has and uses outwit as part of an sp, and they are hit to were they lose the sp, but gain outwit as a standard power, does the power they outwited comeback or does the standard power outwit continue outwiting the outwited power. The clix I am looking at is Crisis Darkseid, who has outwit and perplex for three clixs as a sp, but then gains regular outwit.
p.s. if this is confusing, I am sorry. I tried to explain it as best I can :knockedou
Here's hoping we get a Vanilla Ice Clix in the next TMNT set.
As far as I know the outwitted power would continue to be outwitted, because the character never actually lost outwit, the form by which it was granted just changed.
Originally posted by JBShip628: Cosmic Spider-Man's LoF is NEVER blocked. See that Batman 4 tables down. Yeah, Cosmic Spidey can shoot at him.
the power would not longer be outwitted.
With the new power of outwit you can use the new one.
This was based on the ruling made on Silver Surfer.
He had a SP that allowed him to use HSS but only option 1(or something like that) then he had a regular HSS.
It was ruled if you were on a SP HSS and Crit missed/mystic and lost the SP and went onto normal HSS you would need to stop your movement since it is not the same power.
the power would not longer be outwitted.
With the new power of outwit you can use the new one.
This was based on the ruling made on Silver Surfer.
He had a SP that allowed him to use HSS but only option 1(or something like that) then he had a regular HSS.
It was ruled if you were on a SP HSS and Crit missed/mystic and lost the SP and went onto normal HSS you would need to stop your movement since it is not the same power.
Faulty reasoning. Silver Surfer was not granted hypersonic speed by that power, he was granted another power. THEN he gets hypersonic speed. If the SP granted him bonafide hss, i'm fairly certain the movement would continue uninterrupted.
Faulty reasoning. Silver Surfer was not granted hypersonic speed by that power, he was granted another power. THEN he gets hypersonic speed. If the SP granted him bonafide hss, i'm fairly certain the movement would continue uninterrupted.
Reread the power.
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COSMIC SPEED: Silver Surfer can use Hypersonic Speed, but only option 1 and can make only ranged combat attacks using the power.
As you will note it states he can use HSS, but only option 1, he is still using HSS.
Here is a post about how the Leader can use outwit 4 times in one turn.
(Note this is longer possible to the rewording of Superman Enemy TA change)
Quote : Originally Posted by Harpua
There's a specific order you need to use.
Leader is on click 2 and got Outwit from Oracle on the last turn.
At the beginning of the turn, he uses the OW from Oracle to counter somebody's Invulnerability. A Poisoner then damages that figure, dropping it to Toughness. (1 use)
Next he Outwits the Toughness (via his SP) before a second Poisoner gets the guy. (2 uses)
He now takes a power action to gain Perplex from Oracle.
Later on he copies Superman Enemy and uses that Outwit. (3 uses)
Now a teammate uses Pulse Wave and catches Leader with it. He drops to click three and picks up a natural Outwit. (Note that the SE OW from use 3 would now end.) He can now use that natural Outwit. (4 uses)
Here is a post about how the Leader can use outwit 4 times in one turn.
(Note this is longer possible to the rewording of Superman Enemy TA change)
Quote : Originally Posted by Harpua
There's a specific order you need to use.
Leader is on click 2 and got Outwit from Oracle on the last turn.
At the beginning of the turn, he uses the OW from Oracle to counter somebody's Invulnerability. A Poisoner then damages that figure, dropping it to Toughness. (1 use)
Next he Outwits the Toughness (via his SP) before a second Poisoner gets the guy. (2 uses)
He now takes a power action to gain Perplex from Oracle.
Later on he copies Superman Enemy and uses that Outwit. (3 uses)
Now a teammate uses Pulse Wave and catches Leader with it. He drops to click three and picks up a natural Outwit. (Note that the SE OW from use 3 would now end.) He can now use that natural Outwit. (4 uses)
If The Leader were healed back onto click #2 from #3-4 (via Titans/X-Men or Support), would that instance of Outwit (SP) be available for him to use again?
One way to circumvent the update to the Superman Enemy TA ability would be to damage The Leader past his last standard Outwit click via two friendly characters using Darkness Within.
Chain: Possible 5-6 uses of Outwit in one turn by The Leader? The Leader had copied Superman Enemy TA from last turn. He is on click #2.
Free Action: ICWO Outwit/Poison
Free Action: SP Outwit/Poison
Power Action (pushing onto click #3): Use Perplex via ICWO (gain Outwit)
Action #2,3: Adjacent friendly characters make attacks and deal damage to The Leader via Darkness Within. The Leader is on click #5.
Free Action: The Leader uses Outwit via Superman Enemy TA.
Action #4: Attack by friendly character to take advantage of SE Outwit.
Free Action: The Leader uses Nanobots to heal back onto click #3.
Free Action: Outwit (standard)?
Action #5: The Leader copies Titans/X-Men ability and receives healing from friendly character (back on click #2).
Free Action: Outwit SP
Action #6: Attack to take advantage of Outwit SP?
If The Leader were healed back onto click #2 from #3-4 (via Titans/X-Men or Support), would that instance of Outwit (SP) be available for him to use again?
Nope. You can only use outwit once per turn (per instance).
the power would not longer be outwitted.
With the new power of outwit you can use the new one.
This was based on the ruling made on Silver Surfer.
He had a SP that allowed him to use HSS but only option 1(or something like that) then he had a regular HSS.
It was ruled if you were on a SP HSS and Crit missed/mystic and lost the SP and went onto normal HSS you would need to stop your movement since it is not the same power.