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That's what I was trying to address with my OP. The only mutants I see in WoS are Wolverine, Daken, LE Daken, Nightcrawler, Wolfsbane, Warpath, and X-23. Maybe Deadpool, depending on which story of his you believe.
Mutants are our X-friends, not Spidey because he was bitten by a spider or Vapor because some cosmic rays hit the U-Foes.
There's a very clear line in most cases between "mutant" and "mutated"
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I like this response.
However the only potential problem I see is that 1/2 of any given Marvel set could be labeled mutant whereas we get 3-6 spies or mysticals in each set (since Avengers). The exception being the glut of spies for SI, but that made sense since the whole story/event was about Skrulls infiltrating various organizations. Even if it were, say, 1/3 of each set being Mutants, that would still be 20 new Mutants each Marvel set. Thats on top of the occasional one that might leak out of DC. Compare that to the 6-12 spies or mysticals that we are getting now, and its still pretty unbalanced.
I will agree though, that the removal of generic keywords, if anything, would be the way to go.
That's what I was trying to address with my OP. The only mutants I see in WoS are Wolverine, Daken, LE Daken, Nightcrawler, Wolfsbane, Warpath, and X-23. Maybe Deadpool, depending on which story of his you believe.
Mutants are our X-friends, not Spidey because he was bitten by a spider or Vapor because some cosmic rays hit the U-Foes.
There's a very clear line in most cases between "mutant" and "mutated"
I understand what you are saying, but look at all the other Marvel sets. Would the 10% rule still hold true for those sets? The worst case scenario (post-Avengers) of generic keyword abuse in a single set is Spy in SI. We got about 10 there. That was the worst case mind you. As far as 'Mutant' I'd say that WoS was the best case. M&M (26 mutants in CURSR plus 4 LE's) is a nightmare to deal with as well as the upcoming GSXM set. And with M&M, that's with a few figs that could have gotten the keyword that didn't.
Another aspect of abuse you have to think about is the playability of the pieces. Most mutant pieces are never overly powerfull (Least as far as I remember them). There are TONS of really good and easily expoitable pieces in the mystics,spy, scientist, etc keywords. Mabey this will change with the new set, thats a possibility, but truelly, just cause there are alot of them that could be used on a team is a GOOD thing. I just hate seeing the same pieces again and again (skrull marvel, Scarlet witch, Winter Soldier, etc). I have no issue with options, and if my opponents play mutant theme teams week in and week out, I won't care so long as they are DIFFERENT mutant theme teams.
So long as we have to put up with keyword shenanigans, it wouldn't be so bad if there were more things people could do with them, don't you think?
Sigh... I wish I had something clever or witty to put here...
There are some 18 Warriors in HoT and some are generics, not to mention the Warriors in the very next set, Brave and the Bold
That made for some massive abuse considering the cheap cost and the Minion abilities.
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I understand what you are saying, but look at all the other Marvel sets. Would the 10% rule still hold true for those sets? The worst case scenario (post-Avengers) of generic keyword abuse in a single set is Spy in SI. We got about 10 there. That was the worst case mind you. As far as 'Mutant' I'd say that WoS was the best case. M&M (26 mutants in CURSR plus 4 LE's) is a nightmare to deal with as well as the upcoming GSXM set. And with M&M, that's with a few figs that could have gotten the keyword that didn't.
The problem with getting rid of generic keywords is multi-layered.
We have Minions who key off of certain generic keywords and that's a new mechanic.
Generic keywords teach us a little more about the character and which version they represent. If we get Spider-Man Teen and Spider-Man Cosmic then we have a better idea about the piece, era, comic history, etc.
The final problem is actually a solution. Any venue is free to hold tournaments without generic keywords, so why not leave them there for the people who want to play them. There are a ton of really strong non-generic keywords including X-Men, Avengers, JSA, JLA (all forms), Gotham, Asgardian, Amazon, GL, SC, even X-Force and Guardians are pretty formidable now.
Point being, you don't have to use generic keywords, but there are some advantages to their existence.
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Yeah....cause heaven forbid should anyone not play a keyword theme team....That statement is complete BS
I have no problem with generic keywords..Keywords in general are completely pointless...They really take the fun out the game....You missed why I was calling it B.S...What he said was that if they don't have a keyword then there not worth playing...That was what I was calling bs on....It used to be u could just build a team now you got to build a team around a certain keyword...It was more fun when we didn't have the keywords
Why should Avengers, X-Men, and JLA all get automatic advantages over small teams?
I never said "not worth playing."
Because there should be some advantages to running actual themed teams over min/maxing figures who are efficient and are placed on teams to maximize winning opportunities.
Having Non-generic keywords should have more advantages in order to promote fun and casual play over winning and cutthroat play.
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Can we please put aside bickering over the existence of keywords?
This thread isn't to debate what and how keywords should work, only to state that, since these keywords do exist, having Mutant back for the upcoming GSX set would be very nice.
Because there should be some advantages to running actual themed teams over min/maxing figures who are efficient and are placed on teams to maximize winning opportunities.
Having Non-generic keywords should have more advantages in order to promote fun and casual play over winning and cutthroat play.
I'm talking about how that automatically gives an advantage to certain teams. Generic keywords at least makes some other figs competitive.
Completely true. But if we're going to have all those Spy, Scientist abuse, might as well have "Mutant" in the mix. Their nixing never made ANY sense to me.
Actually, it makes a lot of sense when you have sets like M&M and GSX. Each set should be balanced withing itself for sealed play, and with generic mutant keywords almost everything you pulled from a booster would be a theme team.
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Maybe I misunderstand what you're saying, but what it sounds like is: It made sense for year one Cyclops and Esme Cuckoo to be a Mutant and AoA Cyke and the other Cuckoos not to be mutants.
I get the idea of limiting things, but certain sets demand certain keywords.
Teen in Crisis (which was originally planned as a Titans set) and Warrior in HoT are quick to the top of my head, but it seems like M&M got kinda shafted with the Mutant and Monster keywords, considering the set name.
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Actually, it makes a lot of sense when you have sets like M&M and GSX. Each set should be balanced withing itself for sealed play, and with generic mutant keywords almost everything you pulled from a booster would be a theme team.