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there's one problem with what he says about TK
I don't know if this is the right place to mention this but ...
you still have to make a "ranged attack" vs that guy who's in stealth. so as far as I understand you could wack the guy with the object he's hiding in but you couldn't hit him with it if he was hiding "in a bush"
let's say I'm hiding behind Foom's finger. you pick it up and grin victoriously. I shyly wave in embarrassment, and you give me the finger. oh it hurts
on the other hand: I'm hiding among the rubble created by someone breaking a wall. you pickup the finger with TK and try to put it whare the sun don't shine but you still can't see me (no line of fire can be drawn to me). just like any other AOE you can't target a square. you could however *place* the finger in the square that I'm in, & you could attack me with it if you could violate my stelth (superman/ultimates or various dudes who ignore stealth [harpoon & dr. strange assuming they had TK]) but that's it.
let's face it if bats wants to hide from GL in a pile of busted bricks he just dose; they don't even have to be gold bricks.
no takers... really? I mean I see that the new cast is up and I'm burried under 4 pages of glad-handing (not that I don't think an audio hi-light of rules changes is good). so if it's old hat already that's my bad but I have a real issue with a prominent (publicly sanctioned) rules interpretation.
cuz yeah as far as I know anytime we "make a ranged combat attack" we "must determine if the attacker can draw a line of fire to the target and if the target is within range." Likewise "If the line of fire is blocked, the attacker can’t make a ranged combat attack against that target." further more when stealth "appear[s] through the stat slot and [is] listed on its character card" "hindered lines of fire drawn to this character are blocked". and as we all know: "If the line of fire is blocked, the attacker can’t make a ranged combat attack against that target. Any line of fire that isn’t blocked can be drawn."
so please someone tell me how can you hit a dude in stealth with an object that wasn't providing him with the hindered line of fire or when some other feature or effect was hindering the line of fire. please. no pun intended; I just don't see it.
no takers... really? I mean I see that the new cast is up and I'm burried under 4 pages of glad-handing (not that I don't think an audio hi-light of rules changes is good). so if it's old hat already that's my bad but I have a real issue with a prominent (publicly sanctioned) rules interpretation.
cuz yeah as far as I know anytime we "make a ranged combat attack" we "must determine if the attacker can draw a line of fire to the target and if the target is within range." Likewise "If the line of fire is blocked, the attacker can’t make a ranged combat attack against that target." further more when stealth "appear[s] through the stat slot and [is] listed on its character card" "hindered lines of fire drawn to this character are blocked". and as we all know: "If the line of fire is blocked, the attacker can’t make a ranged combat attack against that target. Any line of fire that isn’t blocked can be drawn."
so please someone tell me how can you hit a dude in stealth with an object that wasn't providing him with the hindered line of fire or when some other feature or effect was hindering the line of fire. please. no pun intended; I just don't see it.
As this is not a rules forum and I believe Norm is on vacation this week could lend to why your question is not being answered very quickly. I do believe this is something they were going to look into. I am not a RA or Rules Deputy so I can not "rule" on it. I see it going both ways.
No you can't target the figure, but how can I place an object under you? It makes sense that the object would hit you, since it is my turn, the only thing that would allow for evasive action would be a supersenses/mastermind/impervious. In makes sense although it's not worded, to think of it like it's a non targeting attack. Your in a bush, stealth, I am putting a boulder in the bush cause that's where I want it, you happen to be in the way. I am not targeting you, I am targetting the bush to put my boulder there. Cause that's what I do, move boulders around.
Again I am not a RA or Rules Deputy, I am just calling this the way I see it and the way I break it down. Please visit this thread currently closed but it is some interesting reading on the subject while we wait for a clearer answer:
as I said I wasn't sure if this was the right place to ask for a rules discussion, and never meant to to scare off folks who wanted to cheer you all on (I played it four times and would love for you guys --or others-- to get in deapth and page-by-page on the whole rulebook).
that idea of a vid on you-tube (or elseware) that'd be awsome!
thanks again for pointing me in the right direction.