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I just to verify if I have this rule understood correct.
When you roll a critical miss, damage is taken immediately before anything else is done. Correct?
So during a Hypersonic Speed if I roll a crit miss against my opponent, I immediately take one click of damage. If I lose HSS then I must end my move from the square I attacked from, whether a ranged or close-combat attack. Correct? Also, the Player's Guide states that an attack with HSS must commit to the square that I'm making the attack the from, so I believe I'm interpreting all of the above correctly.
How about if the opponent has Shape Change? When do I declare a target with HSS? From reading HSS, it says that I may make an attack. So when I declare HSS, move adjacent to an opposing figure, and then declare my attack? Then my opponent rolls a successful Shape Change, can I still move away with my remaining movement and attack another opposing figure? And if there are no targets in range, then I can finish the remainder of my movement and just end my action, correct? That is they way I understand it.
Or do I have to attack from the same square against another adjacent opposing character?
Shape Change
When this character is chosen as the target of an attack, you may roll a d6. On a result of 5 or 6, the attacker can't target this character with an attack this turn and the attacker may choose another target character instead. The attacker then makes the attack unless there are no targets, in which case the action resolves without an attack.
And if my interpretation of HSS and Shape Change is correct, it will be the same as Skrulls, since both powers work exactly alike with the exception of the die roll required.
I have a tourney tomorrow and want to make sure I have this all down.
I just to verify if I have this rule understood correct.
When you roll a critical miss, damage is taken immediately before anything else is done. Correct?
So during a Hypersonic Speed if I roll a crit miss against my opponent, I immediately take one click of damage. If I lose HSS then I must end my move from the square I attacked from, whether a ranged or close-combat attack. Correct? Also, the Player's Guide states that an attack with HSS must commit to the square that I'm making the attack the from, so I believe I'm interpreting all of the above correctly.
You are absolutely correct in this.
Another aspect of this is that if your speed goes down, your remaining movement is likewise decreased. If your speed goes up, you still only have your remaining original speed, it isn't increased. That can seem unintuitive.
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How about if the opponent has Shape Change? When do I declare a target with HSS? From reading HSS, it says that I may make an attack. So when I declare HSS, move adjacent to an opposing figure, and then declare my attack? Then my opponent rolls a successful Shape Change, can I still move away with my remaining movement and attack another opposing figure?
No, you'd have to declare another attack from the same square, or not make an attack at all and continue your movement.
Quote : Originally Posted by VGA d1sc1pL3
And if there are no targets in range, then I can finish the remainder of my movement and just end my action, correct? That is they way I understand it.
That part is correct.
Last edited by Suttkus; 01/04/2012 at 03:24..
Reason: To use less overwrought words.
I just to verify if I have this rule understood correct.
When you roll a critical miss, damage is taken immediately before anything else is done. Correct?
So during a Hypersonic Speed if I roll a crit miss against my opponent, I immediately take one click of damage. If I lose HSS then I must end my move from the square I attacked from, whether a ranged or close-combat attack. Correct? Also, the Player's Guide states that an attack with HSS must commit to the square that I'm making the attack the from, so I believe I'm interpreting all of the above correctly.
Rules, page 10:
ROLLING 2 AND 12:
CRITICAL MISSES AND CRITICAL HITS
If you roll a two (two 1s) on an attack roll, you
automatically miss the target, even if your Attack
Total would allow you to hit the target. This is called a
critical miss. Immediately deal the attacking character
1 unavoidable damage; this represents a weapon
backfire or your character straining or wounding itself
during the action. This unavoidable damage is not part
of the attack.
And, yes, this is indeed one of the reasons your character needs to be able to attack from a square it could occupy mid-HSS. If the HSS is lost, it can't just hang out in limbo.
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How about if the opponent has Shape Change? When do I declare a target with HSS? From reading HSS, it says that I may make an attack. So when I declare HSS, move adjacent to an opposing figure, and then declare my attack? Then my opponent rolls a successful Shape Change, can I still move away with my remaining movement and attack another opposing figure? And if there are no targets in range, then I can finish the remainder of my movement and just end my action, correct? That is they way I understand it.
Shape Change When this character is chosen as the target of an attack, you may
roll a d6. On a result of 5 or 6, the attacker can't target this
character with an attack this turn and the attacker may choose
another target character instead. The attacker then makes the
attack unless there are no targets, in which case the action
resolves without an attack.
Hypersonic Speed
Give this character a power action and move it up to its speed
value. It automatically breaks away and can move through squares
adjacent to opposing characters. During its move, this character
may as a free action make one close combat or ranged combat
attack with its range value halved for the attack. This character
must be in a square where it could legally end its move in order to
make the attack.
So you are partially correct. The attack (and thus the target) isn't declared until HSS has already begun.
Where you are not correct is that you can't keep moving and pick another target when they successfully roll Shape Change. If the target rolls a 5 or 6, if you are going to attack another target, you have to do it right then and there, in that square. No moving. After the (new) attack is over, or if you choose not to pick a new target, then you can keep moving and finish the HSS action.
Another aspect of this is that if your speed goes down, your remaining movement is likewise decreased. If your speed goes up, you still only have your remaining original speed, it isn't increased. That can seem unintuitive.
No, you'd have to declare another attack from the same square, or not make an attack at all and continue your movement.
That part is correct.
Suttkus,
Much gratitude for your help. I appreciate it. I would hate to go in and accidentally cheat against my opponent.
I don't use HSS that often, so want to be very sure I was doing it right.
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Now what about Charge? I understand that, using the same scenario, but using Charge instead of HSS, I move my figure up to half my value, then declare my target of the attack once I'm in the square I'm attacking from correct? So if my opponent has Shape Change/Skrulls and is successful, then I am stuck adjacent to my opponent and cannot make an attack unless there is an opposing character adjacent that I can attack instead. Is this all correct?
So you are partially correct. The attack (and thus the target) isn't declared until HSS has already begun.
Where you are not correct is that you can't keep moving and pick another target when they successfully roll Shape Change. If the target rolls a 5 or 6, if you are going to attack another target, you have to do it right then and there, in that square. No moving. After the (new) attack is over, or if you choose not to pick a new target, then you can keep moving and finish the HSS action.
OK.. that is what I was wondering, about the clause in the rules that stated that I must commit from the square to which I'm attacking from. So if my opponent makes a successful Shape Change/Skrulls roll, I can still attack, but it must be from that square I'm currently occupying, and in this case it would have to be a close combat attack agains another adjacent opponent.
Thanks for the help. Greatly appreciated. Rep to both you and Suttkus for the help.
Shape Change lets you change the target of your current attack, but that's all. Which is much simpler than it used to be. Nothing else about the attack changes, just the target, if another one is available (and you choose pick another target, of course, you're not forced to).
Shape Change lets you change the target of your current attack, but that's all. Which is much simpler than it used to be. Nothing else about the attack changes, just the target, if another one is available (and you choose pick another target, of course, you're not forced to).
Thank you again. I think that wraps up all of my questions.
And if my interpretation of HSS and Shape Change is correct, it will be the same as Skrulls, since both powers work exactly alike with the exception of the die roll required.
I see people say this quite a bit, but it's not exactly correct.
Skrulls IS Shape Change. It is a modified Shape Change, but it is still Shape Change.
It matters when considering things like Bullseye or Battle Fury.