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MAGNETIC MASTERY: Give Magneto a power action. Magneto can use Telekenesis twice as a free action. If Magneto uses Telekenesis option 3 increase the damage dealt by 2.
He can increase the damage of objects that does no damage, like Larfleeze's constructs?
MAGNETIC MASTERY: Give Magneto a power action. Magneto can use Telekenesis twice as a free action. If Magneto uses Telekenesis option 3 increase the damage dealt by 2.
He can increase the damage of objects that does no damage, like Larfleeze's constructs?
That is correct. Larfleeze and Magneto can be great friends. (Or Magneto can crush an opponent's Larfleeze. )
Quote : Originally Posted by Magnito
In other words, it's all Vlad's fault.
Quote : Originally Posted by Masenko
Though I'm pretty sure if we ever meet rl, you get a free junk shot on me.
Quote : Originally Posted by Thrumble Funk
Vlad is neither good nor evil. He is simply Legal.
That is correct. Larfleeze and Magneto can be great friends. (Or Magneto can crush an opponent's Larfleeze. )
You sure about that? I'd have ruled no increase.
Incap is a no damage attack. A critical hit increases damage dealt by +1, but if that critical hit happens during Incap there is no damage to increase, so the +1 doesn't happen.
I'd see the same thing happening here.
A TK attack using an orange construct deals no damage, so an increase to that nothingness is still nothingness.
Incap is a no damage attack. A critical hit increases damage dealt by +1, but if that critical hit happens during Incap there is no damage to increase, so the +1 doesn't happen.
I'd see the same thing happening here.
A TK attack using an orange construct deals no damage, so an increase to that nothingness is still nothingness.
Where does it say that tk'ing an orange construct is a "no damage attack?" Without that specific language, I would say that it is an attack that deals 0 damage, not a no damage damage attack.
Buuut, even if it is, I think you're forgetting the tweak to the language of no damage attacks in the last player's guide:
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Damage Dealt
Page 9, under No Damage begins: ―An attack that deals no
damage ignores modifiers to the damage value.‖
Magneto does not modify the damage value, only damage dealt.
Quote : Originally Posted by Magnito
In other words, it's all Vlad's fault.
Quote : Originally Posted by Masenko
Though I'm pretty sure if we ever meet rl, you get a free junk shot on me.
Quote : Originally Posted by Thrumble Funk
Vlad is neither good nor evil. He is simply Legal.
Where does it say that tk'ing an orange construct is a "no damage attack?" Without that specific language, I would say that it is an attack that deals 0 damage, not a no damage damage attack.
Buuut, even if it is, I think you're forgetting the tweak to the language of no damage attacks in the last player's guide:
Magneto does not modify the damage value, only damage dealt.
But as there is nothing defined about the damage from an object which is neither light nor heavy then it deals no damage. It would have to say that it deals some damage (even if it is 0 damage) in order to be modified.
In other words, you can't modify something that doesn't exist. No damage exists with such an attack because no damage is defined to exist.
If a character using Sargon makes someone hold an Orange object, and then Larfleeze moves can you move that object since the object powers are in effect while held unless otherwise stated. And does the character holding come along for the ride.
Quote : Originally Posted by Necromagus
When I came on board as RA I brought with me a mission to meet the intent of a power/ability and a firm distaste for exploits or loopholes that circumvented the intention of a rule. That's where the Rules team comes in.
If a character using Sargon makes someone hold an Orange object, and then Larfleeze moves can you move that object since the object powers are in effect while held unless otherwise stated. And does the character holding come along for the ride.
Sargon can't do that.
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#025 Sargon The Sorcerer
Illusionary Swap: Sargon the Sorcerer can use Smoke
Cloud. When he does, he may exchange any two heavy or
light objects in the game with each other, as long as one of
the objects occupies or is being held by a character who
occupies the same square as one of the hindering terrain
markers he placed. If a chosen object was held, the replaced
object is held.
Ah. I could have swore norm was talking about him being able to do it. Lol, maybe he was speaking hypotheticals.
Quote : Originally Posted by Necromagus
When I came on board as RA I brought with me a mission to meet the intent of a power/ability and a firm distaste for exploits or loopholes that circumvented the intention of a rule. That's where the Rules team comes in.
But as there is nothing defined about the damage from an object which is neither light nor heavy then it deals no damage. It would have to say that it deals some damage (even if it is 0 damage) in order to be modified.
In other words, you can't modify something that doesn't exist. No damage exists with such an attack because no damage is defined to exist.
Now, this argument is closer to something I can agree with. I'm still not 100% convinced, but I can live with it.
Quote : Originally Posted by MisterId
If a character using Sargon makes someone hold an Orange object, and then Larfleeze moves can you move that object since the object powers are in effect while held unless otherwise stated. And does the character holding come along for the ride.
Sargon got errata to only be allowed to exchange light or heavy objects. But, I would say this wouldn't have worked anyway, because the rules say that a held object can't be targeted, destroyed, or taken away from the holding character, and moving the object would "take it away" from the character.
Quote : Originally Posted by Magnito
In other words, it's all Vlad's fault.
Quote : Originally Posted by Masenko
Though I'm pretty sure if we ever meet rl, you get a free junk shot on me.
Quote : Originally Posted by Thrumble Funk
Vlad is neither good nor evil. He is simply Legal.
When I came on board as RA I brought with me a mission to meet the intent of a power/ability and a firm distaste for exploits or loopholes that circumvented the intention of a rule. That's where the Rules team comes in.
No to re-open an old thread, but whats the final word on this?
Can Magneto deal 2 damage off an orange construct that deals no damage?
Go with what Harpua said above. Since there is no defined amount of damage for objects that are not light or heavy, there is nothing to modify, so TKing an orange construct won't deal any damage, even with Magneto.
Quote : Originally Posted by Magnito
In other words, it's all Vlad's fault.
Quote : Originally Posted by Masenko
Though I'm pretty sure if we ever meet rl, you get a free junk shot on me.
Quote : Originally Posted by Thrumble Funk
Vlad is neither good nor evil. He is simply Legal.